On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > Get a reality check: > Internet Explorer treats ISO-8859-8 as Visual. > Outlook (Express) treats ISO-8859-8 as Visual. > Thunderbird treats ISO-8859-8 as Visual.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > ... considers ISO-8859-8 as subject for bidi conversion, > > just like any other program (except kmail). > > And Mozilla/Thunderbird. And Outlook/OE. And every web mail. > Also check Balsa. Please, everybody, try to get the facts right regardless of your position on the way things should be. I just performed a little experiment: I sent myself an email with Hebrew characters, manually giving it an ISO-8859-8 header (from pine). Mozilla Thunderbird (version 1.0, 20041206, on Linux) displays it from right to left, that is in *logical* order. Moreover, even if I manually select "Hebrew Visual (ISO-8859-8)" from the view menu, Thunderbird *still* displays the message in logical order. Thunderbird by default does not give the option of composing mail in what it calls "Hebrew Visual (ISO-8859-8)" -- you have to "customize" the encoding options in order to do so. I just did it, and sent myself a message; it came out with the ISO-8859-8 header, and the characters in *logical* order. Whatever one thinks of this behavior, I think it's fair to say that Thunderbird treats ISO-8859-8 as logical Hebrew for the purposes of displaying, composing, and sending mail. The only place it treats this encoding as visual is in the label on the menu :-) Could someone with access to Outlook perform a similar experiment? I just looked at some old correpondence of mine which was sent erroneously with an ISO-8859-8 header even though it was in logical order. My Outlook correspondents didn't complain, suggesting that at least for display purposes, Outlook too treats ISO-8859-8 as logical Hebrew. On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Shai Berger wrote: > I have to repeat Tzafrir, and others: KMail is ok. Evo is buggy. Cast in somewhat more neutral terms: Compose/send: - Evolution can only send mail contrary to specs. - Thunderbird by default sends mail according to specs, but when pushed it can also send mail against them. - Other mailers -- no info. Display: - Kmail displays mail strictly according to specs, thus displaying mail from evolution against the intentions of the sender (and probably the recipient as well) - Thunderbird (and probably Outlook and other mailers) displays mail contrary to specs, thus displaying almost all incoming mail according to the intention of the sender. Which are bugs and which are features? Keep on flaming ;-) -Ron. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
