Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish. Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a horrible outcome!
¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote: > I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us > coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the > change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us > from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's > not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like > those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse > communities around the world. > > Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed > out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it > seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a > bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds > of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation > and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of > etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the > existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took > about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find > volunteers for a committee. > > I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting > this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward! > > Maggie Cawley > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario <afsvica...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello/*Kumusta*, > > > > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking this > > seriously. > > > > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, > > but a collective can build a fire 🔥 (charcoal comparison). > > > > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About Geospatial > > Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video). > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf> > > > > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia > > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter: > >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who > >> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping > >> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping and > >> storytelling matters most. > > > > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam > > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members > > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support > > and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really > > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > > > > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk > > mailing list: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html. > > > > Let us keep the fire burning! > > > > =Arnalie > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > > wrote: > >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, > >> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing > >> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best > >> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the > >> LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local > >> Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC > >> already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to > >> have a CoC. > >> > >> Clifford > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Always > >>> Heather Leson > >>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to > >>>> start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of > >>>> the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball > >>>> rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Great. working in the draft now. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this restart. > >>>>> We can keep building. > >>>>> > >>>>> Heather > >>>>> > >>>>> Heather Leson > >>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gertrude Namitala > >>>>> <trudyho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Thanks Heather for starting this. I will try to be available. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>> Trudy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 23:05 Mikel Maron, <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> This is great > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson > >>>>>>> <heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Great! Editing now > >>>>>>> Hope we can have an initial chat > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> heather > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Heather Leson > >>>>>>> heatherle...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson > >>>>>>> Blog: textontechs.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:33 PM Rebecca Firth > >>>>>>> <rebecca.fi...@hotosm.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> > Hi Heather, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Thanks for setting that up - I'll need to jig some things around > >>>>>>> > but really hope to be able to join that meeting. Some people had > >>>>>>> > already started working on a statement to share. I am sharing here > >>>>>>> > for allies to add comments they would like to raise, and to > >>>>>>> > identify people who are keen to move this work forward: > >>>>>>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Thanks, > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Rebecca > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:21 PM Heather Leson > >>>>>>> > <heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> >> Hey > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> A few of us are going to meet this saturday about code of conduct > >>>>>>> >> in osm. There is a codw of conduct but we think there needs to be > >>>>>>> >> more. We can also touch on the diversity work that mikel shared > >>>>>>> >> previously. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> 1500 utc before the osmf board meeting at 1600 utc. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Hope you can join. This will be a small group discussion. We can > >>>>>>> >> always widen the circle later. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Link to be shared later. Note this will be a safe and positive > >>>>>>> >> space discussion. We will adhere strongly to the diversity list > >>>>>>> >> code. > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Thanks so much > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> Heather > >>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> >> Diversity-talk mailing list > >>>>>>> >> Code of Conduct: > >>>>>>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>>>>> >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > -- > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Diversity-talk mailing list > >>>>>>> Code of Conduct: > >>>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>>>>> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Diversity-talk mailing list > >>>>> Code of Conduct: > >>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>>> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> @osm_washington > >>>> www.snowandsnow.us > >>>> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > >> > >> > >> -- > >> @osm_washington > >> www.snowandsnow.us > >> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Diversity-talk mailing list > >> Code of Conduct: > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >> Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Diversity-talk mailing list > > Code of Conduct: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > _______________________________________________ > Diversity-talk mailing list > Code of Conduct: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > _______________________________________________ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods (private): diversity-talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org
