Hi Naomi,
> On May 10, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Naomi Slater <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:18, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think that RTFM is not a good answer to a serious question. > > > it's about context > > if there's a thread on here about ways in which Apache marginalizes people, > and we're having a back and forth about it, and someone new on the list > chips in and wants to know how that sort of thing works given that a lot of > the interaction happens via email, I am sure that many people on this list > (including me) would be more than happy to go into the details > > when somebody posts a drive-by question saying "uh uh uh uh. so. how can I > discriminate against people if all I'm doing is writing code. code is just > maths. and maths isn't political" that is something quite different And I thought that the original post on this thread was a genuine attempt to engage this community. I did not and do not think that the poster was or is a troll. > >> So let's give everyone a chance to come here and try to understand what >> we're trying to do, even if it becomes repetitive. Over and over. Because >> that is what it will take. > > > I hope that this list becomes a place where we can all learn from each > other. and where people who are new to D&I type initiatives can come and > learn what they're about, how they work, and how to contribute > > but fundamentally, this is list must be a place for us to *get work done*. > it mustn't be treated as a gratis "intro to social and political theory" > class, or discussion forum about diversity in tech > > if people are interested in the wider topic, learning for themselves, and > so on, I am sure that many people on this list will be happy to provide > resources. and indeed, maybe we could compile a reading list for people who > are interested in that This highlights for me the need for an FAQ and reference material that we can use in such cases so we don't accidentally turn away non-trolls. > I don't have the energy to try to convince people that there are issues, > that D&I is important, that we should do something about it, etc, etc, > "over and over" (and over and over)_ I think the FAQ is really important for exactly this purpose. None of us has the energy to have the same convo over and over. But we do need to have the first one. Craig > > we don't "win" by convincing drive-by trolls that the work we're doing is > important. (that will never happen). we "win" by getting the work done Craig L Russell c...@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org
