Russ,

Yes, I did at first see this as one issue.  I see that your
"Enterprise" site should not define best practices but at most refer
to them as further reading.  My email addresses the same issues as Tom
and Venkatraman above.  Thanks for explaining.

Thanks,
Richard Shebora

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
<russ...@keith-magee.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Richard Shebora <sheb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> @Matt
>>
>> You are correct.  The "drupal/joomla/plone/wordpress space" does exist
>> and it is where most people (non-developers) look first.  These are
>> the people who need to perceive django in a more positive light if the
>> goal is to increase django market share.  They are the people who hire
>> you and I.  If not, it's a moot point.
>>
>> @Everyone
>>
>> I was not clear that I support everything Russ said, and that I am
>> most in favor of an "Enterprise" site that sets forth standards and
>> best practices which make apps more compatible and hence more
>> marketable.
>
> Perhaps I wasn't clear, but that's not what I meant by an "enterprise" site.
>
> The enterprise site I'm talking about is the list of stuff you can use
> to convince your pointy-haired, non-technical boss that Django is
> worth considering instead of J2EE, .Net or whatever other big $$$
> "serious enterprise" framework they're being sold. This means reducing
> the risk factors from a non-technical perspective, or at least framing
> technical factors at a level that non-technical people can understand.
> Case studies show that other big companies are using Django, and
> benefited from using it; lists of contractors show that there are
> options when problems arise; and so on.
>
> The technical requirements for interoperability are a separate issue.
> It's certainly an issue that should be addressed, but I'm not
> convinced it requires a whole other site. What is needed in this area
> is for someone to condense the best practices that have evolved in
> Pinax (and other comparable large tools) into a coherent guide that
> can be integrated into Django's own documentation. If this is a
> project that interests you, I heartily encourage you to pursue it.
>
> On a historical note -- Pinax exists as a concrete manifestation of
> django-hotclub, which is/was a project to do exactly what you describe
> -- to define and document best practices for reusable Django apps.
> However, over time, the abstract idea of the Hotclub has taken a back
> seat to the practicalities of Pinax.
>
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
>
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