On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Shawn Milochik <sh...@milochik.com> wrote: >> >> On 06/23/2011 12:36 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >>> >>> The perfect link to refer these users to: >>> >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>> <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html> >>> >>> (props to harryr for finding this) >>> >> >> Yeah. I used to post that link pretty frequently until I was asked to >> stop. ;o) > > Lmao, I won't re-post this again then ;p > >> >> I still think it's a great essay. If I remember correctly, the objection >> to it was that the tone wasn't necessarily at the same level of acceptance >> and friendliness we like to maintain in this group. >> >> We should distill it into a shorter, newbie-friendly version and get it >> posted somewhere official so we can refer to it. > > That's be pretty cool. But my guess is that the maintainers just want us to > reply with a "you need to give us more information before we can help you" > speech, in a non-insulting tone. Shame, takes all the fun out of it lol. > </meany>
The tone is exactly why I've asked people to stop referring to ESR's document. The spirit of the document -- that you can only get good answers if you ask good questions -- is certainly valid, but to me, ESR's tone in that document really comes off as "Stop wasting my time, which is more valuable than yours, because I'm a hacker, which means I'm awesome and you're not". I'm sorry, but being a 1337 h4X0R doesn't give you carte blanche to treat anyone else like crap. The Django core team have tried really hard to foster a positive, accepting community culture. Everyone is a beginner once, and everyone occasionally posts in haste and forgets to include salient details. Absolutely nothing is gained by insulting a newcomer to the community. As a side note, if someone were to redraft that document in such a way that it *doesn't* have that tone, I'd gladly include the text in Django's own documentation. Yours, Russ Magee %-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en.
