On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Fabian Ezequiel Gallina <galli...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2011/6/23 Russell Keith-Magee <russ...@keith-magee.com>: >> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] >> <cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Shawn Milochik <sh...@milochik.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 06/23/2011 12:36 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The perfect link to refer these users to: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>>>> <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html> >>>>> >>>>> (props to harryr for finding this) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah. I used to post that link pretty frequently until I was asked to >>>> stop. ;o) >>> >>> Lmao, I won't re-post this again then ;p >>> >>>> >>>> I still think it's a great essay. If I remember correctly, the objection >>>> to it was that the tone wasn't necessarily at the same level of acceptance >>>> and friendliness we like to maintain in this group. >>>> >>>> We should distill it into a shorter, newbie-friendly version and get it >>>> posted somewhere official so we can refer to it. >>> >>> That's be pretty cool. But my guess is that the maintainers just want us to >>> reply with a "you need to give us more information before we can help you" >>> speech, in a non-insulting tone. Shame, takes all the fun out of it lol. >>> </meany> >> >> The tone is exactly why I've asked people to stop referring to ESR's >> document. The spirit of the document -- that you can only get good >> answers if you ask good questions -- is certainly valid, but to me, >> ESR's tone in that document really comes off as "Stop wasting my time, >> which is more valuable than yours, because I'm a hacker, which means >> I'm awesome and you're not". I'm sorry, but being a 1337 h4X0R doesn't >> give you carte blanche to treat anyone else like crap. >> >> The Django core team have tried really hard to foster a positive, >> accepting community culture. Everyone is a beginner once, and everyone >> occasionally posts in haste and forgets to include salient details. >> Absolutely nothing is gained by insulting a newcomer to the community. >> >> As a side note, if someone were to redraft that document in such a way >> that it *doesn't* have that tone, I'd gladly include the text in >> Django's own documentation. >> >> Yours, >> Russ Magee %-) >> > > I find this document[0] to be really nice, helpful and without that > particular tone. > > Someone from Python Argentina (PyAR) translated it to Spanish and it > is what we use to guide newcomers. > > [0] http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
Nice! I haven't seen that one before -- thanks for sharing! Yours, Russ Magee %-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en.
