I've looked at some of the frameworks you mention and I'm by no means a javascript or javascript framework expert, but I'm working on a re-usable app for django which will provide a rich client/server-side API with some glue-code for KnockOutJs, HandbrakeJs etc. It makes it a lot easier to build viewmodels for KnockoutJS, manipulate data client-side and update data server side. The project is not restricted to KnockoutJS, but includes helper routines especially aimed at Knockout and a few other well tested frameworks.
The goal is not to replace any of the javascript frameworks, but to make it easy for django-apps to create more modern looking and working web pages with as little work as possible. Something like what the django.contrib.admin-package has done for the backend, but for the frontend instead ;-). It's still pre-alpha, but I'll announce version 0.1 in a short while. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Doug Snyder <webcoach...@gmail.com> wrote: > Another framework I looked at is SproutCore. This seems to be more focused > around widgets like many javascript libraries have been before it. I'm not > sure how extensible these widgets are and how quickly I would run into > limitations of using them for things they weren't specifically designed for. > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Doug S <webcoach...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I hope this is OK to talk Javascript in this Django group, I'm hoping its >> relevant to enough Django folks to not be distracting. >> I'm relatively new to Django, but my impression is that a few years ago >> most django people prescribed to the wisdom of keeping javascript to a >> minimum and just using simple JQuery to do simple tasks. Now I think heavy >> Javascript usage is more of reality especially with the shift to more >> mobile web apps, and that the Javascript community is stepping up and >> providing some nice frameworks that can make django people feel a little >> more at home using javascript, more high level frameworks that use MVC >> architecture. I'm starting a few projects where I'll want to essentially >> mirror my django models on the front end to allow editing with out page >> refreshes, front end form validation, and switching between views that are >> downloaded in one request but displayed only according to the state of the >> front end javascript view state. I want nice seemless AJAX communcation >> between the front and back end. I'm aware of a few Javascript libraries >> that are focused around these things and improving javascript web app >> development in general. KnockOutJS caught my eye at first and I did some >> work with that. I found some things worked really fast and really easy, but >> then once I tried more complex things I saw what I think where limitations >> in its extensibility. Since I'm pretty inexperienced with it, I'm not sure >> if this was my lack of experience or deficiencies in the framework. Then I >> found out about Ember,js and it seemed to me like a more complete framework >> ( it tagline is 'Ambitious Web Apps' ) that could probably handle almost >> any situation that I would use it for, although for simple views it >> required a tad more code to be written than KnockOutJS. My first experience >> with Ember last weekend was pretty frustrating, working off what looks like >> the only example in the docs and finding myself buried in errors that were >> entirely foreign to me. This may be beginners luck but I also heard someone >> more experienced express frustration with the learning curve and lack of >> examples in the docs. I've just become aware of a number of Javascript >> libraries that seem to do related things that will be useful for my needs >> above. AngularJS I think is gaining popularity quickly and seems to be >> selling itself as a simple solution that can be extended in any variety of >> ways ( much like django ). I tend to feel good about trusting Google but I >> wonder if what I think is a more structured approach in Ember js is a wiser >> choice for me. I've also read about Spine, which describes itself as a >> simple lightweight MVC framework. Backbone is apparently a library entirely >> concerned with front end data models but not databinding or routing. I >> found a library called Batman intended for Rails but since a Google search >> for django and batman is all about movies and not programming I'm guessing >> no one has adapted this JS lib for django. All of what I'm writing is not >> based on expertise or experience, what I'm really hoping for is some hints >> from django people about what they use or what the pros and cons of the >> different options for javascript frameworks are, and to encourage >> discussion about this that might be useful to a lot of django people >> looking to bridge the front end with backend. Feel free to stretch the >> boundaries of my questions if you even think I've given any clear >> boundaries, assume that you know more than I, and if you're wrong, no >> worries, this discussion is as much for your education as it is for mine. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Mvh/Best regards, Thomas Weholt http://www.weholt.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. 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