Hi, Everything is about buying and selling something. If I work in software development company, use python, postgresql and want to use psycopg2 - nice web page helps in "selling" the idea of using psycpg2 to my boss. Of course, nice website is not the only important thing but it helps a lot. People *are* lazy and actually don't have enough free time to check every piece of code that flows around the web. Informative web site helps to raise an interest and to do the next step - download the software and try it out.
Regards, Valts. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Michael Wieher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I disagree. > > Not with the idea that a decent support site is good for software, > but that you, or anyone, has any right whatsoever to expect anything at > all from people who are taking their own time out of their lives to > build & support pieces of software that they then give away. > > You make a good point if there were a few other things in the mix > 1. the idea that the authors of the software care if anyone uses it > 2. the idea that the authors of a piece of code they happen to enjoy > and provide to the world for free, just because its nice, have any > investment whatsoever in Sr. Crusty Manager (end-boss). > 3. this were a 'core' piece of software or significant in some respect, > such as Django or postgresql. > > I believe it is an unstated opinion that if anyone is so blindly stupid > as to make a decision on technology-to-use based on one page of > babbling regarding a minor component of an overall system, the major > pieces (django, postgresql) having been chosen for their own technical > merits (one can hope, rather than the high quality of the penmanship > and artistry of their websites) ... so if you're so blindly stupid to use > something you admit is technically inferior because a component to > the overall system isn't "corporate" enough for your taste, (or rather, > the component's packaging & hype isn't ...appropriate?) then get off > your corporate ass and pay for something yourself or take what > people are kind enough to offer, and attempt to contribute if you find > you've build something that helps. Maybe you should bother to write > a few tests, see if you can get them integrated... but I have absolutely no > respect and quite a bit of disregard for anyone who opens their mouth > to complain about the quality of a product they are using and gaining > utilization from, which they obtain simply for the sake of pressing a > button on a webpage. > > No offense man, but be reasonable in what you ask for, what you expect. > > Now, think about Django. Do you think the people building & maintaining > Djanjo have any vested interest in seeing it become more popular? > > hell yes. Books, speeches, consulting, there must be some money in > spearheading > something so massive and such a significant cog in the machinery of the > WWW. > > But can you REALLY see anyone caring if you contributed to psycopg2? maybe > some > Python developers would have heard of it, it might be a nice touch on > a resume, but > thats all people. > > so explain to me, from Corporate America's self-interested point of > view, why anyone > would have any right to expect anything at all from the makers of > psycopg2, who do, > by the way, provide quite a nice product that many people use and enjoy? > > for that matter, most FOSS projects I've seen are downloadable via > sourceforge with > maybe an index listing on a module page or as RPMs / DEB packages. Rare is > the > FOSS module I use that even has its own webpage. > > Seriously. Be real. > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM, cbmeeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree with Will on this one. While it's not the site that makes the > > software, it sure as heck determines how many people (and companies) > > will take that first chance and use it. > > > > psycopg2 might be the best thing since sliced bread. I've always used > > MS SQL and MySQL. Recently, I've started learning Python and > > Postgres. After setting up Django and deciding to ditch MySQL and go > > for Postgres, I too came to that rant of a page and wondered what the > > heck was going on. Then I finally drilled down and found the > > download. > > > > I work for Corporate America. Love it or hate it, Corporate America > > (CA) like big flashy sites with contacts, mission statements, blah > > blah blah. My bosses don't care about open source. Most people don't > > understand it. Even if they did understand it, they don't care. Only > > SOME programmers care about open source. (and I am one of them). > > > > Bottom line is that Mr Senior Manager VP of Programming at CA pushes > > pencils all day making sure CA is compliant in every way with support > > contracts and lots of red tape. Mr Sr Manager took a Cobol class > > back in 1982 so that qualified him as an expert in software > > development. So he decides to audit all source code and libraries. > > But wait, he comes across psycopg2 and sees some "amateur" site with > > swear words and orders the minions to remove all "amateur" code. "We > > only deal with good software like DB2, Oracle or MS". > > > > THAT is the opinion of 99.999% of CA. And I don't mean the little two > > man webshop in San Fran running a "revolutionary" site on how to > > widgitize the mood swings of cats who have 2 million users using > > LAMP. I mean the companies that FEED most of us code drones. > > > > That is what Will was trying to point out...I believe. > > > > Now, having said all of that....I DO believe FOSS is a great movement > > in the software world. I AM using psycopg2 for my projects. But the > > company I work for (5000 employees) have never even heard of Python, > > Django, Postgres and especially psycopg2. > > > > Now, should the creators of psycopg2 worry about some super site? > > Nah. But if they put a "please help...we need a better site" title on > > their front page they might get a lot more support. Django's site is > > beautiful. That's not what matters...but it sure as hell helped me > > stick around and learn more. > > > > cbmeeks > > http://codershangout.com (the most BEAUTIFUL site in the world!!! > > hahahaah) > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 10:07 am, Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm working on a project I'd like to use Django for, though my first > >> hurdle will be convincing a team of highly qualified scientists, > >> programmers and computer scientists that this is a good idea. > >> > >> Given we are most likely going to use PostgreSQL, This isn't > >> particularly inspiring:http://www.initd.org/ > >> > >> Why should we trust psycopg2 to be a high quality piece of software? > >> > >> Will > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. 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