Also these get chained together -- think of the person who subscribes to a 
mailing list from a university email address that then ends up being forwarded.
Another big, difficult case is people sending mail via an ISP; you have cable 
Internet at home, you want to send mail via SMTP, you don't want to use 
"u...@ispmail.com", but you are forced through the ISPs SMTP server. 
We are seeing less "mail to a friend" (where the mail is generated by an app or 
website) but still some.
Also down but still existent is commercial mail sending for free email 
addresses -- somebody uses business services to send mail but the business has 
an email address in somebody else's domain (think "happy birthday" from your 
dentist, for instance).
Elizabeth Zwicky
      From: "Kelley, John" <john.kel...@teamaol.com>
 To: "dmarc@ietf.org" <dmarc@ietf.org> 
 Sent: 
 Subject: [dmarc-ietf] Indirect mail flows
   
Hi.  

I'm not sure if it is too soon to start the discussion on indirect mail
flows, but theses are the chief problems we (AOL) are seeing with indirect
mail.

1. Auto Forwards, principally where the email is munged in some way
causing DKIM to fail.
2. Mailing lists; although the big ones seem to be rewriting the From
(thanks).
3. Groups (these might be considered a subset of mailing lists, but folks
seem to think of them differently)



John Kelley



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