On 5 Nov 2018, at 11:38, Barry Leiba <barryle...@computer.org> wrote:

>> Both of these are indeed normative in usage, but I was under the impression 
>> that one could not
>> refer to I-Ds as normative.
> 
> One can't, so that means that this document will be held by the RFC
> Editor in a "MISSREF" (missing reference) state until both of the I-D
> are also in the RFC Editor queue.  Then this document will move ahead.

True, but being "afraid of a MISSREF" is not a good enough reason to pretend 
that a Normative reference is Informative.

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