On 5 Nov 2018, at 13:46, Barry Leiba <barryle...@computer.org> wrote:

>>>> Both of these are indeed normative in usage, but I was under the 
>>>> impression that one could not
>>>> refer to I-Ds as normative.
>>> 
>>> One can't, so that means that this document will be held by the RFC
>>> Editor in a "MISSREF" (missing reference) state until both of the I-D
>>> are also in the RFC Editor queue.  Then this document will move ahead.
>> 
>> True, but being "afraid of a MISSREF" is not a good enough reason to pretend 
>> that a Normative
>> reference is Informative.
> 
> Of course not, and I didn't mean to imply that it was.  I was
> explaining that we *can* send the document forward with a missing
> normative reference.  "We" do not have to wait for it to clear; the
> RFC Editor will.

Then we are in full agreement.



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