> On 21 Jul 2020, at 00:20, Brandon Long <blong=40google....@dmarc.ietf.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:00 AM Laura Atkins <la...@wordtothewise.com 
> <mailto:la...@wordtothewise.com>> wrote:
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2020, at 19:08, Murray S. Kucherawy <superu...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:superu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>>>    I'm less convinced by the notion that all of the RFC5322.From is 
>>> disregarded by the preponderance of users when deciding what level of trust 
>>> to put in the message's content. That suggests we blindly open and read 
>>> absolutely everything, and I suspect that isn't the case.
>> 1. That's not what it suggests, at all
>> 
>> Then I don't know what else you might mean by "end users do not reliably 
>> make trust decisions based on /any/ of the information in the rfc5322.From 
>> field".  What other data exist upon which to make trust decisions in the 
>> display of a mailbox?
> 
> There was a research project done by an inbox provider and a major supporter 
> of DMARC presented at a MAAWG meeting a few years ago. They tried adding 
> trust indicators to the message list but found no statistically significant 
> behavioral changes by users. Given the conference policies, I hesitate to 
> mention it here, but there is research. There’s also a conference paper I 
> found, done by a computer science research team at VA Tech that looked at 
> this as well. 
> 
> Was it us?  If so, I can push on folks to find and make it releasable, but I 
> don't recall that we had such a presentation but I've also been out of the 
> loop for a while and wasn't there are
> the beginning of DMARC either.  Ie, I know the ecert goldkey stuff failed on 
> this, but don't think I ever saw the data.

Wasn’t Google (which doesn’t mean Google hasn’t done similar work. Following up 
offlist. 

laura 

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