On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:38 PM Jesse Thompson <jesse.thompson=
40wisc....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> On 7/22/20 12:05 PM, John Levine wrote:
> > I don't believe we have a charter to tell mailing list operators what
> > to do, even if we believed, against all experience, that they would
> > take our advice.
>
> https://cyber.dhs.gov/bod/18-01/ references
> https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#I_operate_a_mailing_list_and_I_want_to_interoperate_with_DMARC.2C_what_should_I_do.3F
>
> Who should be giving them advice?
>

Probably not a technical standards group.

>
>
> > As may have been pointed out a few times, mailing lists had been
> > serving their users perfectly well for decades before AOL and Yahoo made
> them
> > DMARC roadkill.
>
> Given that the email security industry's marketing now shames domain
> owners for not adopting DMARC, I think that the statute of limitations for
> AOL and Yahoo has passed.
>

Despite my personal opinions regarding mailing lists, DMARC and anti-abuse,
this working group is not the running dog for the email security industry's
marketing efforts to shame domain owners. Perhaps you would like to submit
an Internet Draft on how to resist feeling shamed. I have a feeling it
would be informational at best.

I would also suggest that this group, lacking significant representation of
MUA providers, should also refrain from thinking it reasonable that this
group should tell MUA providers how they should go about their business.

Michael Hammer
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