On April 7, 2023 6:43:33 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <ves...@tana.it> wrote:
>It is going to be problematic to kick off someone who impersonates different 
>users.  What do you do, block IP numbers?
>
>We keep on saying that mailing list have worked this way for decades.  Sure. 
>And email in general has been working for decades before the need to use 
>authentication arose.  So we can bet that people using MLs is highly selected 
>and well behaved... but is that true?  Wouldn't a jester be able to completely 
>disrupt our work by heavily repeating impersonations to the point that we'll 
>be forced to restrict to Github tools to discuss our drafts?  I wouldn't bet...
>
>Some time ago I proposed a p=mlm-validate[*] telling receivers to reject on 
>failure only if they are a mailing list or similar forwarder.  I thought that 
>would cause minimal disruption since such kind of posts most of the times 
>reach destination in one hop —akin to transactional stuff— and a poster who 
>gets a bounce can quickly retry.  Such kind of tool would eliminate 
>impersonation chances.
>
>An obvious truth is that we cannot publish a successful protocol if we 
>ourselves see no reason to make any use of it.

To the extent managing mailing list subscriber abuse is a problem, it's not a 
DMARC problem.

The IETF has had problems with sock puppets before and managed to address them.

Scott K

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