Hector, did you not understand this?:

>> We will *not* consider what should happen to
>> SPF outside of DMARC, and any discussion of that is *out of scope* for
>> this working group under its current charter.

Please stop discussing it.

Barry

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 8:23 PM Hector Santos <sant9...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:41 AM, Barry Leiba <barryle...@computer.org> wrote:
> >
> > Repeating this one point as chair, to make it absolutely clear:
> >
> > The proposal we're discussing is removing SPF authentication from
> > DMARC evaluation *only*.  We will *not* consider what should happen to
> > SPF outside of DMARC, and any discussion of that is *out of scope* for
> > this working group under its current charter.
> >
> > Barry, as chair
>
> For the record,  from a long time SMTP implementer standpoint, DMARC would be 
> ignored, dropped, turned off, etc first before any consideration to stop SPF 
> support.   As a Transporter, SPF works. As an Administrator - ADSP, I mean 
> “Supper ADSP” aka DMARC has been horrible.  I, and most people, could easily 
> deprecate Wildcat! DMARC with no harm and fact, less harm because the false 
> positives will disappear.  My product add-on for wcSMTP, wcDMARC, never did 
> honor the p=reject|quarantine. It was left for filters and no one hard any 
> confidence to make it work.
>
> SPF on the other hand, I don’t see dropped in the name of DMARC.  So if it’s 
> about sparate, but not abandon, that I can support - because it is already 
> separate.  SPF preempts DMARC or any Payload protocol..
>
> Thanks
>

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