Hi Juan Carlos,
this all sounds very abstract and more from an administrative point of view.
Point is (and relevant arguments always have an understanding of the
solution space) that some routing scenarios are easy to accomodate
multicast and others aren't.
My major point was: If DMM picks a solution, people should just think
wider (including multicast) and then there is no need to come up with
weirdo type of "solutions" in Multimob that are only justified by
unicast solutions being ignorant of other use cases.
In other words: Rather be clever than smart.
Cheers,
Thomas
On 12.11.2012 23:51, Zuniga, Juan Carlos wrote:
I believe the purpose of the discussion was to propose some requirement
text for draft-ietf-dmm-requirements, rather than getting in the
solution space. I propose the following:
Requirement: DMM solutions SHOULD support multicast services. In case
the solution
does not address multicast, a justification MUST be provided
for the
omission of multicast from the solution.
Motivation: The purpose of this requirement is to encourage people to
consider the impacts of running multicast services in a DMM
environment
from the beginning of the development, thereby avoiding the
need to
make protocol extensions in the future to support this kind of
functionality.
Regards,
Juan Carlos
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From: dmm-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Thomas C. Schmidt
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:06 PM
To: Peter McCann
Cc: Stig Venaas; Behcet Sarikaya; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Multicast requirements
Hi Pete,
things would be simple, if topology were as described.
Let's wait what dmm is birthing out ... and continue discussion then.
In
any case, complex and incompatible "grand new schemes" do not appear
to
make much sense.
Cheers,
Thomas
On 12.11.2012 22:53, Peter McCann wrote:
In the DMM case my assumption is that the anchor points are closer
to the access routers and therefore are very likely to be in the
same
administrative domain. In these cases, joining the multicast group
directly from the access router gives you the same access to the
same
multicast streams and so tunneling the multicast packets won't be
necessary.
-Pete
Thomas C. Schmidt wrote:
Dear Pete,
multicast mobility management is a route adaptation problem. As in
the
unicast case, mobility can only be treated by routing dynamics in
trivial cases (re-connect of a tunnel, re-association with next
hop).
Otherwise it is unwise to delegate mobility adaptation to routing
protocols (-> OSPF, BGP ...).
Accordingly, if DMM distributes mobility operations, handover
management should foresee easy interconnects to previous
distribution
trees - both for receivers and for mobile multicast sources.
I guess, if DMM people are careful, this is not a world-class item
and
can be treated along the lines of unicast solutions - an isolated
multicast protocol treatment (as has been previously proposed from
MULTIMOB folks) seems inappropriate. In core PMIP, multicast
treatment
has turned out to work out simply (-> RFC6224).
Thus my argument: talk to the multicast guys before adopting a
solution ... and make the rest an easy game.
Cheers,
Thomas
On 12.11.2012 21:39, Peter McCann wrote:
jouni korhonen wrote:
Folks,
This mail is to kick off the discussion on multicast
requirement(s)
for the draft-ietf-dmm-requirements-02 document. I hope we can
nail
down the essential multicast requirement(s) as soon as possible.
To me, multicast in a DMM environment means joining multicast
groups
directly from access routers. It means re-joining the multicast
tree
from a new access router after handover. I would hope that we can
use
existing MLD protocols between the MN and its first hop AR to
accomplish this.
-Pete
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