On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:58:28PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit : > >> Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to > >> replace the > >>own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But > >>Dbus seems to have infected every other DE. At least Xfce4. > >> > >> Didier > >> > >I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could you please explain > >why it is such a point of contention? It is a only a protocol, with many > >different implementations. It is comfortably very generic and usedon other > >UNIXs. > > > > Not a strong animosity. I think the question of designing a > middleware should be addressed with more carefull thinking if to > become a standard. In particular with simplicity in mind. > > For the use Xfce4 makes of it, which is the means to stop the > session (AFAIU), I consider it overcomplicated. >
I mostly agree with you Didier about the necessity to have clear in mind objectives before even starting writing the first line of code of a "middleware", but if a man gets stabbed and dies, can we complain with the knife-maker for making knives available on the market? If really xfce needs dbus only to stop a session, the problem is to be attributed to xfce developers, who are overcomplicating something that was simple by adding an unnecessary dependency. And we come back to what I think is the original problem: there is nowadays a rising majority of developers, in all fields, who simply ignore the basics of UNIX and KISS-thinking, and keep throwing on board all kinds of shit just because "it makes things more simple" in their eyes... EndOfTheRant KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
