Il giorno Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:06:30 -0500 goli...@dyne.org ha scritto: > On 2017-03-15 21:32, Christopher Clements wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >>> But what is the point? Our freedoms are being eroded on all fronts - >>> we are drowning in a tsunami of reversal of choice dictated by those >>> in power be they Debian or corporations or government. >>> Rather than piss in the wind... >> >> To make this a metaphor, what about pissing _upwind_? >> I've seen some others suggest notifying upstream developers that making >> systemd mandatory is a bad idea, and it (notifying them) seems like a >> good idea, if only to make things easier for Devuan porters. >> > > That is an excellent idea. Would be great if someone got organized > enough to start a dialog with EVERY upstream dev individually and/or > collectively. Unfortunately, that would be a mammoth task requiring > more time than most people could find. I've done work like that on > various issues and know from experience, it is a full time job.
I think we should insist on cross-platform support and ease of porting: systemd is exclusively Linux, software written that has it as a hard-dependency cannot run on a generic POSIX-compliant system, widespread adoption of systemd will cause a rift between (no longer GNU/)Linux and any other OS, all other Unixes included, both free and proprietary. This is bad, as it replicates in GNU/Linux the bad things that caused the Unix systems of old to lose market share: they were too difficult to be made to interoperate, software had to be ported for each architecture *and* OS, so that as soon as a cheaper and easier to cope with platform emerged the old, grumpy and too complicated ones suffered and eventually became irrelevant. This is far from happening to GNU/Linux now, but systemd stalwartly walks that bad direction. I wished I knew how the embedded-systems developers feel about systemd: is it making their work more difficult? What impact is systemd having on porting GNU/Linux to IoT, mobile and real-time devices? I just checked on OpenWRT. They tried two years ago, and had several problems related to the RedHat-isms that pervade systemd, including this one: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=49599 lifehacksback 2015-01-31 02:32:29 From: San Francisco Registered: 2014-07-02 Posts: 360 «Got agetty to compile with systemd. Seems like systemd puts deamons in the /sbin/ folder. However most openwrt utilities (util-linux) installs them to /usr/sbin. Manually setting agetty to /sbin yields a working console base for systemd on openwrt. Now im stuck on the "<hostmachine> login: " as systemdlogin does not compile correctly.» -- Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
