thanks for clearing this up. tls 1.3 failures are going to be pretty common, 
because in non-enterprise contexts without local certificate authorities, the 
risk imposed by ECH will be seen as too great. i guess we'll have to let the 
market sort it out.

-- 
P Vixie

On Thursday, July 25, 2024 7:24:30 AM PDT Ben Schwartz wrote:
> TLS 1.3 clients using ECH will not fall back to non-ECH upon unauthenticated
> failure, just as TLS clients of any kind will not fall back to a lower
> version upon unauthenticated failure.  To control the TLS version, or the
> usage of ECH, one must either control the client's behavior directly or be
> able to authenticate as the TLS destination to the client's satisfaction. 
> In an enterprise context, the latter is often accomplished by implanting a
> special local certificate authority into the client's trust store.




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