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Tom Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Wed, 9 May 2007, Paul Karkas wrote:
>
>> it could be that the name is going to be deleted and you are just seeing
>> that silly phantom year that the registry adds to names.
>>
>>
>>
>> When a name 'expires' the registrar (Tucows in this instance) extends the
>> registration period by an additional 40 days.
>
>s/registrar/registry/ ?

The registry extends the domain by a year, not by 40 days.  How the
registrar implements this varies by registrar.

When hotmail.com expired, for example, it was deleted immediately and
grabbed up by someone else (who was nice about it)

>I could be wrong. But I've never seen auto-renewals explained like that. 
>MOST REGISTRIES (at least the gtlds) automatically renew domain names and 
>bill the registrar for the renewal. However, they refund the charge for 
>the auto-renewal as long as the domain is deleted within 45 days (or some 
>such period).

Yeah.  Tucows is one of the few that implements this in a very customer
friendly way.

>This has led to various problems and issues, including these bogus expiry 
>dates from registry whois servers. 

Expiry dates can never really be trusted anyway, more then once I've
seen/heard stories of registrars that don't ever renew domains in
advance, instead they simply update their systems and let the
auto-renewal happen.

(Which, incidentally, is what I'd do -- This gives a fairly large pool
of funds available to the registrar, even the interest would be enough
of an incentive for a large pool of domains)

It would be nice if there was some note in the WHOIS which indicated
domains which were in the ~40 day grace.

Alas.

>It also causes (or caused?) a problem 
>where if you let a domain expire, then renew it, then change registrars 
>inside that 45 day window, you lose the renewal you paid for.

Nothing a chargeback couldn't fix though (nor would I feel all that
guilty, since as I understand it the losing registrar doesn't end up
paying for the domain anyway -- If I'm wrong about that then I'd feel
slightly guilty, right up until the next renewal was due on my domain)

That being said, wasn't this usually a case of the (losing) registrar
failing to explicitly renew the domain, instead letting the implicit
renewal take care of it?
-- 
Dave Warren,          [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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