I happen to remember "old good time" too (360/370, well before VB!). BTW, David you saved me from inflaming this list with correction of &15seconds about VB timing. Thank you. Now, David can you give me the rational behind decision of MS to introduce C# in .NET? Reasonable people will ask why to fix anything what works? IMHO, the C# is very good language indeed. No joke. But, would it be slightly cumbersome to maintain few equally important environments. I know from my experience working in development of one of the principal UNIX flavor how it's difficult to do something like that.
And, LIST please try do not put words in my mouth. Let’s use intelligent arguments. Best regards, Peter Kinev. "David L. Penton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Heh...although I know when VB came out, I never used it until VB3. I >learned things on TI99/4A, Logo, Apple II, IIe and then Pascal. C, ForTran >came next somewhere in there :-) (almost forgot the Machine Language I >did...wait, I don't want to remember that!) > >Computer history (not just personal) is very important...gives a good solid >background for programming/computing now. Many people have a difficult time >dealing with DOS (or command line operations) which keeps them off of UNIX >derivatives (FreeBSD is one of the best OSes around!) but they can't beat >the ease and power of W2K and Windows.Net Server. The release of the >Framework will be remembered as one of those pivotal points in computer >history. Enough random thought for now! > >David L. Penton, Microsoft MVP >JCPenney Technical Specialist / Lead >"Mathematics is music for the mind, and Music is Mathematics for the >Soul. - J.S. Bach" >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Do you have the VBScript Docs or SQL BOL installed? If not, why not? >VBScript Docs: http://www.davidpenton.com/vbscript >SQL BOL: http://www.davidpenton.com/sqlbol > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >David, I have trouble remembering MY birthday too! > >In my defense, we were using VB3 long before release. I was running a >team with a couple of developers who were well-connected with MS (betas >were much more limited then than they are now.) We began a project a >few weeks before these guys got what MS called the Bronze release, and >went live with it days after the Gold release came out. I don't >remember if Gold was a "release candidate" as they call it now, or the >release, but we were using it just under a year before Gold. Any chance >1990 could be considered the end of the 1980's to get me off the hook >here? :-) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David L. Penton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >FYI, VB was introduced in 1991, not the 80s. > >http://safari.oreilly.com/main.asp?bookname=vbdotnetnut&cnode=11 > >David L. Penton, Microsoft MVP >JCPenney Technical Specialist / Lead >"Mathematics is music for the mind, and Music is Mathematics for the >Soul. - J.S. Bach" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Do you have the VBScript Docs or SQL BOL installed? If not, why not? >VBScript Docs: http://www.davidpenton.com/vbscript >SQL BOL: http://www.davidpenton.com/sqlbol > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Magnus, maybe Peter Kinev just wants a skirmish to shake up the Friday >doldrums. > >I've been programming in VB since VB3 in the 1980's and watched it >improve regularly through the constant fog of other programmers >predicting its demise. In its current articulation, VB.NET, there's >virtually NOTHING you can't do with it. I've worked on a wide range of >projects and I can't even REMEMBER the couple of things C# can do that >VB can't... they're insignificant to any real work I do. > >While the language features are nearly identical between C# and VB, VB >in the Visual Studio environment has big bonuses over C#. Intellisense >(which helps type code for you) is more completely implemented for VB, >and VB's long-standing IDE presentation of control procedures and >functions and events in convenient pull-down lists has been preserved in >the VS.NET IDE, making it much easier to work with them. > >So no, you don't have to learn C# but you do have an uphill task >learning VB.NET. VB is now even more different from VBScript than it >used to be. It has *some* similarities to VB6 or VB5, if you have >experience with those, since those versions of VB supported >classes/objects and some other aspects of object-oriented programming. >That stuff is the foundation of .NET, which makes it very different from >the procedural script you're used to writing. > >I recommend Jesse Liberty's "Programming ASP.NET" (O'Reilly) to start. >Even it may be tough slogging at times, but it's the clearest and >best-focused of several books I bought. Microsoft's "Applied .NET >Framework Programming" by Jeffrey Richter is solid. And I've found most >of the titles in Wrox Press' new "Handbook" series to be good (better >than many of their big fat drones) especially the ones on Class Design >and Text Manipulation. > >And there's TONS of stuff on the web, including Microsoft's >http://www.asp.net and http://www.dotnetjunkies.com and many others. > >The one thing you shouldn't waste a moment on are the rumblings of the >anti-Microsoft cult. When .NET was but a twinkle in Microsoft's eye, >cult members were confidently predicting that Java and the Sun paradigm >would take over the world. Even software giant Corel jumped on board, >but over time the enthusiasm for this world has become as sluggish as >the applications it has produced. .NET is - or should be - throwing a >huge scare into them as they vacillate between defending their crumbling >ramparts and joining the other side. Ask yourself, what's Peter Kinev >doing on a dotnet list? :-) > >No, I don't work for MS. :-) Good luck. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Kinev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Magnus, >I am afraid you have not too much choice. In order to progress in line >with MS you have to learn C# and forget about VB. That is what .NET >about. I made my choice I will stay with Java and Open Source based >development environment. Peter. > >"Magnus Simonarson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Hello >> >>Seeing the subject and it's Friday, what sorta book would a regular ASP > >>programmer need to get into .net stuff. I know Visual Basic (vbscript >>of course) and would like to continue using that rather than C# >> >>Magnus >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >>Meaning that >>1) you personally can't think of any good books, >>2) No books exists that are good at explaining how to fully use Visual >>Studio, or >>3) You're scared of the question? >> >>Matthew Small >>IT Supervisor >>Showstopper National Dance Competitions >>3660 Old Kings Hwy >>Murrells Inlet, SC 29576 >>843-357-1847 >>http://www.showstopperonline.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Black, John S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >>Uh, no! >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >>Anybody have any good recommendations on books that teach how to fully >>use Visual Studio.net? >> >>Matthew Small >>IT Supervisor >>Showstopper National Dance Competitions >>3660 Old Kings Hwy >>Murrells Inlet, SC 29576 >>843-357-1847 >>http://www.showstopperonline.com > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to dotnet as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >%%email.unsub%% > >--------- >Administrated by 15 Seconds : http://www.15Seconds.com >List Archives/Search : http://local.15Seconds.com/search Subscription >Information : http://www.15seconds.com/listserv.htm >Advertising Information: http://www.internet.com/mediakit/ > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to dotnet as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > >--------- >Administrated by 15 Seconds : http://www.15Seconds.com >List Archives/Search : http://local.15Seconds.com/search >Subscription Information : http://www.15seconds.com/listserv.htm >Advertising Information: http://www.internet.com/mediakit/ > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to dotnet as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > >--------- >Administrated by 15 Seconds : http://www.15Seconds.com >List Archives/Search : http://local.15Seconds.com/search >Subscription Information : http://www.15seconds.com/listserv.htm >Advertising Information: http://www.internet.com/mediakit/ > > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. 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