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On 24 Nov, 17:27, "Stephen Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SHEEP! > > When can this thread die? > > ......................... > Stephen Russell - > Senior Visual Studio Developer, DBA > > Memphis, TN > 901.246-0159 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KeidrickP > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DotNetDevelopment] Re: northwind database > > ok, > so by posting that URL I didn't expect it to turn into a full week > discussion. > It is very apparent that people feel a certain way about someone not > taking the time to look before posting a question in this group. > Anyone else that reads this please take the time to at least google, > or search the archives before posting a single one-lined question. > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:12 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kaarthik, > > > Cerebrus doesn't work full time moderating this group, nor is he paid > > anything for doing it. > > > Because these discussions work both online and through email, a > > discussion can get heated and out of control very quickly, I often > > find 50 new posts each time I visit, and I feel I look on here a lot. > > > People with intelligence should be self-moderating, and should try to > > put up with others who cannot. > > > That said, it is quite a penomenon that people "discussing" on the > > internet will often not be themselves as they are shielded from real > > physical interaction by their keyboard. > > > We've had numerous threads like this one where people start getting > > angry, I started one by paraphrasing a rediculous question that had > > led to expert leaving the group to try and show people how stupid > > question lead to far more than stupid answers. > > > I enjoy reading the posts on this group, and answering where I can, > > and occasionally I even ask questions! > > > This forum only needs one rule to survive happily, Try Google First! > > > On 24 Nov, 01:45, "Kaarthik Padmanabhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Cerebrus, > >> Thanks for checking in at last. > > >> It does not matter if someone who joins the group, reads or does not read > >> the rules and regulations, It is totally their problem. > >> But at any point if they violate the rules, YOU could remove that person > - > >> stating that he or she has crossed the line. But for you to do that, you > >> should have the rules pinned down somewhere at the first place. > > >> Resorting to calling people names or making jokes does not seem to be the > >> right approach. > > >> Maybe you should have done this long back, probably then maybe you would > not > >> have lost "innumerable experts" who got shooed away by slothful idiots > and > >> laggard nincompoops. > > >> I can understand how frustrating it could get(especially for you) to see > a > >> slew of emails for VFAQ's AND subscriptions. > >> But I share the same concern for people who get publicly humiliated and > >> mocked at. Put it in the rules and make it a violation and kick the > person > >> out - seems a lot more simpler? Doesn't it? > > >> I only hope this thread gets closed with some solution or else it would > mean > >> that "someone" has chickened out. > > >> And Brandon - are you really following this thread? Santhosh has already > >> answered this infamous question on this thread's 18th reply. And who were > >> the people who took it that long? Oh wait a second.. I do see a "Brandon" > >> somewhere in between there... > > >> Kaarthik > > >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Brandon Betances > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >> > Amen Brother. There's a huge difference between coherent, intelligent, > well > >> > thought out discussions, and asking the same stupid one sentence > questions > >> > over again. They fact of the matter is, if the OP would have taken the > time > >> > to type Northwind into Wikipedia, which just took me all of 5 seconds > to do, > >> > he would have gotten this answer. > > >> > Northwind, a sample database > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database>included in MS > >> > Access <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Access> and MS SQL > Server<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_SQL_Server>often used in examples of > database queries or data access programming. > > >> > Problem solved, question answered, and now week long heated argument > that > >> > STILL has'nt answered the question. Matter of fact, its taking me > longer to > >> > write this message than it was to find the answer to the question. > > >> > Those properties, the ability to research, learn on your own, expand > your > >> > knowledge, and know where to turn when in need of help, are what > separate a > >> > good programmer from someone who makes a living off other peoples work. > No > >> > offense, OP, but if you couldn't use the plethora of tools given to you > by > >> > Al Gore, then you wont make it as a "good" software architect. > > >> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Cerebrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> A lot has been said in this thread about the role of moderators and > >> >> the need for modification of the Group's rules/regulations and I will > >> >> comment on them, but first, I quote : > > >> >> --- > >> >> > If Google was the answer to all the question please tell the aims > and > >> >> > objectives of this forum. Please paste > >> >> > "Only Experienced and Advanced Questions and Users Expected!!" in > the > >> >> welcome > >> >> > page > >> >> --- > > >> >> > (mocking at a person) is not going to invite new users and is surely > not > >> >> making this the "most > >> >> > popular Google group for discussions on Microsoft.NET(R) and related > >> >> > technologies". > >> >> --- > > >> >> > then let us have those points added to the rules and > >> >> > regulations. Can we? > >> >> > There are a lot of things documented. Are you telling me that > >> >> > only undocumented and unexplained queries have been answered by > people > >> >> in > >> >> > this group so far? > >> >> --- > > >> >> > this is not in rules and regulations of the > >> >> > forum so newbies would be eager to ask such questions. And it will > be > >> >> good > >> >> > some senior members mark such questions as closed for the begining > >> >> itself > >> >> > there by avoiding some one abuse for this and avoiding a bulk thread > >> >> like > >> >> > this ;) > > >> >> > Something like > > >> >> > =========== > >> >> > CLOSED FOR GOOGLE > >> >> > =========== > > >> >> --- > >> >> > No one has answered the question about including some points to the > >> >> rules and > >> >> > regulations yet. Moderator! KNOCK KNOCK - are you there? > > >> >> > Let us get something constructive here with this one. Something like > >> >> this > >> >> > would not offend anyone: > > >> >> > 1. Avoid posting questions which have already been asked. Please > >> >> search > >> >> > the group for similar questions, before you post yours > >> >> > 2. Post your questions with some example code wherever possible. > >> >> > Arbitrary questions will not be entertained. > >> >> > 3. Users repeatedly violating these terms will be automatically > >> >> > unsubscribed from the list. > >> >> --- > > >> >> My comments are as follows : > > >> >> 1. The aims and objectives of this Group are the same as those of any > >> >> online technical discussion forum - mutually productive interaction > >> >> between intelligent members of a community. A user does not need to be > >> >> advanced or experienced to be able to Google. That is the point many > >> >> members have been trying to make. I want to add that this Group has > >> >> never been anti-newbie. One common element in most such discussions is > >> >> that all people who ask stupid un-researched questions are branded as > >> >> newbies and the impression is created that the experts in this Group > >> >> do not want to help newbies. This is a grossly misleading > >> >> characterization. All newbies are not lazy, indolent idiots who demand > >> >> to be assisted with the most basic of problems. A person could be very > >> >> experienced and still not be bothered to do the slightest research. > > >> >> 2. This is the most popular Google group for Microsoft.NET discussions > >> >> because of its members who are highly respected, highly knowledgable > >> >> and highly passionate about the subject. It has *not* become popular > >> >> because we chose to spoonfeed slothful idiots so that a good public > >> >> impression could be maintained. We are not a corporation and we do not > >> >> care about our Public relations image. We have had innumerable experts > >> >> leave the Group because it had become a forum for "homework questions" > >> >> and the majority of us did not find it intellectually stimulating at > >> >> all to answer a VFAQ. When laggard nincompoops leave the Group no one > >> >> notices but when experts leave the Group, the loss is widely felt > >> >> because these are the people who actually contribute to make this a > >> >> better community. > > >> >> 3. It is I who wrote the "Welcome message" of the Group two years back > >> >> and it is I who takes the sole responsibility for its > >> >> comprehensiveness (or lack, thereof). I welcome suggestions about it, > >> >> but before you send me manuscripts full of ideas, answer me two > >> >> questions - Do you know what percentage of members have never > >> >> (bothered to) read the Welcome message? After about 3 years moderating > >> >> this Group, my estimate is that about 70% of members simply ignored > >> >> that message and the included rules/regulations. Yes, that is the > >> >> reason I later changed a part of it to red and bold faced. Do you know > >> >> how many emails I get on my personal email address asking me to > >> >> subscribe them to the Group's membership ? About 1-2 every day. I > >> >> always check and they're almost always already subscribed. I mean, how > >> >> hard is it to see the "Join this Group" link on the right ? > > >> >> Even if I chose to include the suggested guidelines explicitly, I > >> >> doubt it would have much effect on the behaviour of those whose > >> >> languor is so great that they find it easier to ask a question here > >> >> rather than Google it, for those who would rather write an incoherent > >> >> question fully of misspellings that > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
