Your missing the point, my friend. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Kaarthik Padmanabhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Cerebrus, > Thanks for checking in at last. > > It does not matter if someone who joins the group, reads or does not read > the rules and regulations, It is totally their problem. > But at any point if they violate the rules, YOU could remove that person - > stating that he or she has crossed the line. But for you to do that, you > should have the rules pinned down somewhere at the first place. > > Resorting to calling people names or making jokes does not seem to be the > right approach. > > Maybe you should have done this long back, probably then maybe you would > not have lost "innumerable experts" who got shooed away by slothful idiots > and laggard nincompoops. > > I can understand how frustrating it could get(especially for you) to see a > slew of emails for VFAQ's AND subscriptions. > But I share the same concern for people who get publicly humiliated and > mocked at. Put it in the rules and make it a violation and kick the person > out - seems a lot more simpler? Doesn't it? > > I only hope this thread gets closed with some solution or else it would > mean that "someone" has chickened out. > > And Brandon - are you really following this thread? Santhosh has already > answered this infamous question on this thread's 18th reply. And who were > the people who took it that long? Oh wait a second.. I do see a "Brandon" > somewhere in between there... > > Kaarthik > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Brandon Betances <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Amen Brother. There's a huge difference between coherent, intelligent, >> well thought out discussions, and asking the same stupid one sentence >> questions over again. They fact of the matter is, if the OP would have taken >> the time to type Northwind into Wikipedia, which just took me all of 5 >> seconds to do, he would have gotten this answer. >> >> Northwind, a sample database <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database>included >> in MS >> Access <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Access> and MS SQL >> Server<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_SQL_Server>often used in examples of >> database queries or data access programming. >> >> Problem solved, question answered, and now week long heated argument that >> STILL has'nt answered the question. Matter of fact, its taking me longer to >> write this message than it was to find the answer to the question. >> >> Those properties, the ability to research, learn on your own, expand your >> knowledge, and know where to turn when in need of help, are what separate a >> good programmer from someone who makes a living off other peoples work. No >> offense, OP, but if you couldn't use the plethora of tools given to you by >> Al Gore, then you wont make it as a "good" software architect. >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Cerebrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> A lot has been said in this thread about the role of moderators and >>> the need for modification of the Group's rules/regulations and I will >>> comment on them, but first, I quote : >>> >>> --- >>> > If Google was the answer to all the question please tell the aims and >>> > objectives of this forum. Please paste >>> > "Only Experienced and Advanced Questions and Users Expected!!" in the >>> welcome >>> > page >>> --- >>> >>> > (mocking at a person) is not going to invite new users and is surely >>> not making this the "most >>> > popular Google group for discussions on Microsoft.NET(R) and related >>> > technologies". >>> --- >>> >>> > then let us have those points added to the rules and >>> > regulations. Can we? >>> > There are a lot of things documented. Are you telling me that >>> > only undocumented and unexplained queries have been answered by people >>> in >>> > this group so far? >>> --- >>> >>> > this is not in rules and regulations of the >>> > forum so newbies would be eager to ask such questions. And it will be >>> good >>> > some senior members mark such questions as closed for the begining >>> itself >>> > there by avoiding some one abuse for this and avoiding a bulk thread >>> like >>> > this ;) >>> > >>> > Something like >>> > >>> > =========== >>> > CLOSED FOR GOOGLE >>> > =========== >>> >>> --- >>> > No one has answered the question about including some points to the >>> rules and >>> > regulations yet. Moderator! KNOCK KNOCK - are you there? >>> > >>> > Let us get something constructive here with this one. Something like >>> this >>> > would not offend anyone: >>> > >>> > 1. Avoid posting questions which have already been asked. Please >>> search >>> > the group for similar questions, before you post yours >>> > 2. Post your questions with some example code wherever possible. >>> > Arbitrary questions will not be entertained. >>> > 3. Users repeatedly violating these terms will be automatically >>> > unsubscribed from the list. >>> --- >>> >>> My comments are as follows : >>> >>> 1. The aims and objectives of this Group are the same as those of any >>> online technical discussion forum - mutually productive interaction >>> between intelligent members of a community. A user does not need to be >>> advanced or experienced to be able to Google. That is the point many >>> members have been trying to make. I want to add that this Group has >>> never been anti-newbie. One common element in most such discussions is >>> that all people who ask stupid un-researched questions are branded as >>> newbies and the impression is created that the experts in this Group >>> do not want to help newbies. This is a grossly misleading >>> characterization. All newbies are not lazy, indolent idiots who demand >>> to be assisted with the most basic of problems. A person could be very >>> experienced and still not be bothered to do the slightest research. >>> >>> 2. This is the most popular Google group for Microsoft.NET discussions >>> because of its members who are highly respected, highly knowledgable >>> and highly passionate about the subject. It has *not* become popular >>> because we chose to spoonfeed slothful idiots so that a good public >>> impression could be maintained. We are not a corporation and we do not >>> care about our Public relations image. We have had innumerable experts >>> leave the Group because it had become a forum for "homework questions" >>> and the majority of us did not find it intellectually stimulating at >>> all to answer a VFAQ. When laggard nincompoops leave the Group no one >>> notices but when experts leave the Group, the loss is widely felt >>> because these are the people who actually contribute to make this a >>> better community. >>> >>> 3. It is I who wrote the "Welcome message" of the Group two years back >>> and it is I who takes the sole responsibility for its >>> comprehensiveness (or lack, thereof). I welcome suggestions about it, >>> but before you send me manuscripts full of ideas, answer me two >>> questions - Do you know what percentage of members have never >>> (bothered to) read the Welcome message? After about 3 years moderating >>> this Group, my estimate is that about 70% of members simply ignored >>> that message and the included rules/regulations. Yes, that is the >>> reason I later changed a part of it to red and bold faced. Do you know >>> how many emails I get on my personal email address asking me to >>> subscribe them to the Group's membership ? About 1-2 every day. I >>> always check and they're almost always already subscribed. I mean, how >>> hard is it to see the "Join this Group" link on the right ? >>> >>> Even if I chose to include the suggested guidelines explicitly, I >>> doubt it would have much effect on the behaviour of those whose >>> languor is so great that they find it easier to ask a question here >>> rather than Google it, for those who would rather write an incoherent >>> question fully of misspellings that doesn't disclose any details about >>> the problem rather than spending a few minutes gathering their >>> thoughts. >>> >>> 4. There have been suggestions that this thread be closed. This group >>> is for discussions and I do not close any threads until the language >>> becomes ugly or the atmosphere becomes vitiated. Therefore, this >>> thread will remain open for the present. >>> >>> There can be no excuse for laziness and therefore, we do not excuse >>> it. >>> >>> -- >>> Cerebrus. >>> Group Moderator. >> >> >> >
