I Declare this thread CLOSED.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Anil Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > also there are some db as authors,traders > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:00 PM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> one the slaughterhouse is open, and shearing has been completed. >> >> Enjoy the jumper you will receive for christmas :) >> >> On 24 Nov, 17:27, "Stephen Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > SHEEP! >> > >> > When can this thread die? >> > >> > ......................... >> > Stephen Russell - >> > Senior Visual Studio Developer, DBA >> > >> > Memphis, TN >> > 901.246-0159 >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KeidrickP >> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:06 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [DotNetDevelopment] Re: northwind database >> > >> > ok, >> > so by posting that URL I didn't expect it to turn into a full week >> > discussion. >> > It is very apparent that people feel a certain way about someone not >> > taking the time to look before posting a question in this group. >> > Anyone else that reads this please take the time to at least google, >> > or search the archives before posting a single one-lined question. >> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:12 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > Kaarthik, >> > >> > > Cerebrus doesn't work full time moderating this group, nor is he paid >> > > anything for doing it. >> > >> > > Because these discussions work both online and through email, a >> > > discussion can get heated and out of control very quickly, I often >> > > find 50 new posts each time I visit, and I feel I look on here a lot. >> > >> > > People with intelligence should be self-moderating, and should try to >> > > put up with others who cannot. >> > >> > > That said, it is quite a penomenon that people "discussing" on the >> > > internet will often not be themselves as they are shielded from real >> > > physical interaction by their keyboard. >> > >> > > We've had numerous threads like this one where people start getting >> > > angry, I started one by paraphrasing a rediculous question that had >> > > led to expert leaving the group to try and show people how stupid >> > > question lead to far more than stupid answers. >> > >> > > I enjoy reading the posts on this group, and answering where I can, >> > > and occasionally I even ask questions! >> > >> > > This forum only needs one rule to survive happily, Try Google First! >> > >> > > On 24 Nov, 01:45, "Kaarthik Padmanabhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> Cerebrus, >> > >> Thanks for checking in at last. >> > >> > >> It does not matter if someone who joins the group, reads or does not >> read >> > >> the rules and regulations, It is totally their problem. >> > >> But at any point if they violate the rules, YOU could remove that >> person >> > - >> > >> stating that he or she has crossed the line. But for you to do that, >> you >> > >> should have the rules pinned down somewhere at the first place. >> > >> > >> Resorting to calling people names or making jokes does not seem to be >> the >> > >> right approach. >> > >> > >> Maybe you should have done this long back, probably then maybe you >> would >> > not >> > >> have lost "innumerable experts" who got shooed away by slothful >> idiots >> > and >> > >> laggard nincompoops. >> > >> > >> I can understand how frustrating it could get(especially for you) to >> see >> > a >> > >> slew of emails for VFAQ's AND subscriptions. >> > >> But I share the same concern for people who get publicly humiliated >> and >> > >> mocked at. Put it in the rules and make it a violation and kick the >> > person >> > >> out - seems a lot more simpler? Doesn't it? >> > >> > >> I only hope this thread gets closed with some solution or else it >> would >> > mean >> > >> that "someone" has chickened out. >> > >> > >> And Brandon - are you really following this thread? Santhosh has >> already >> > >> answered this infamous question on this thread's 18th reply. And who >> were >> > >> the people who took it that long? Oh wait a second.. I do see a >> "Brandon" >> > >> somewhere in between there... >> > >> > >> Kaarthik >> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Brandon Betances >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > Amen Brother. There's a huge difference between coherent, >> intelligent, >> > well >> > >> > thought out discussions, and asking the same stupid one sentence >> > questions >> > >> > over again. They fact of the matter is, if the OP would have taken >> the >> > time >> > >> > to type Northwind into Wikipedia, which just took me all of 5 >> seconds >> > to do, >> > >> > he would have gotten this answer. >> > >> > >> > Northwind, a sample database >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database>included in MS >> > >> > Access <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Access> and MS SQL >> > Server<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_SQL_Server>often used in >> examples of >> > database queries or data access programming. >> > >> > >> > Problem solved, question answered, and now week long heated >> argument >> > that >> > >> > STILL has'nt answered the question. Matter of fact, its taking me >> > longer to >> > >> > write this message than it was to find the answer to the question. >> > >> > >> > Those properties, the ability to research, learn on your own, >> expand >> > your >> > >> > knowledge, and know where to turn when in need of help, are what >> > separate a >> > >> > good programmer from someone who makes a living off other peoples >> work. >> > No >> > >> > offense, OP, but if you couldn't use the plethora of tools given to >> you >> > by >> > >> > Al Gore, then you wont make it as a "good" software architect. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Cerebrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> A lot has been said in this thread about the role of moderators >> and >> > >> >> the need for modification of the Group's rules/regulations and I >> will >> > >> >> comment on them, but first, I quote : >> > >> > >> >> --- >> > >> >> > If Google was the answer to all the question please tell the >> aims >> > and >> > >> >> > objectives of this forum. Please paste >> > >> >> > "Only Experienced and Advanced Questions and Users Expected!!" >> in >> > the >> > >> >> welcome >> > >> >> > page >> > >> >> --- >> > >> > >> >> > (mocking at a person) is not going to invite new users and is >> surely >> > not >> > >> >> making this the "most >> > >> >> > popular Google group for discussions on Microsoft.NET(R) and >> related >> > >> >> > technologies". >> > >> >> --- >> > >> > >> >> > then let us have those points added to the rules and >> > >> >> > regulations. Can we? >> > >> >> > There are a lot of things documented. Are you telling me that >> > >> >> > only undocumented and unexplained queries have been answered by >> > people >> > >> >> in >> > >> >> > this group so far? >> > >> >> --- >> > >> > >> >> > this is not in rules and regulations of the >> > >> >> > forum so newbies would be eager to ask such questions. And it >> will >> > be >> > >> >> good >> > >> >> > some senior members mark such questions as closed for the >> begining >> > >> >> itself >> > >> >> > there by avoiding some one abuse for this and avoiding a bulk >> thread >> > >> >> like >> > >> >> > this ;) >> > >> > >> >> > Something like >> > >> > >> >> > =========== >> > >> >> > CLOSED FOR GOOGLE >> > >> >> > =========== >> > >> > >> >> --- >> > >> >> > No one has answered the question about including some points to >> the >> > >> >> rules and >> > >> >> > regulations yet. Moderator! KNOCK KNOCK - are you there? >> > >> > >> >> > Let us get something constructive here with this one. Something >> like >> > >> >> this >> > >> >> > would not offend anyone: >> > >> > >> >> > 1. Avoid posting questions which have already been asked. >> Please >> > >> >> search >> > >> >> > the group for similar questions, before you post yours >> > >> >> > 2. Post your questions with some example code wherever >> possible. >> > >> >> > Arbitrary questions will not be entertained. >> > >> >> > 3. Users repeatedly violating these terms will be >> automatically >> > >> >> > unsubscribed from the list. >> > >> >> --- >> > >> > >> >> My comments are as follows : >> > >> > >> >> 1. The aims and objectives of this Group are the same as those of >> any >> > >> >> online technical discussion forum - mutually productive >> interaction >> > >> >> between intelligent members of a community. A user does not need >> to be >> > >> >> advanced or experienced to be able to Google. That is the point >> many >> > >> >> members have been trying to make. I want to add that this Group >> has >> > >> >> never been anti-newbie. One common element in most such >> discussions is >> > >> >> that all people who ask stupid un-researched questions are branded >> as >> > >> >> newbies and the impression is created that the experts in this >> Group >> > >> >> do not want to help newbies. This is a grossly misleading >> > >> >> characterization. All newbies are not lazy, indolent idiots who >> demand >> > >> >> to be assisted with the most basic of problems. A person could be >> very >> > >> >> experienced and still not be bothered to do the slightest >> research. >> > >> > >> >> 2. This is the most popular Google group for Microsoft.NET >> discussions >> > >> >> because of its members who are highly respected, highly >> knowledgable >> > >> >> and highly passionate about the subject. It has *not* become >> popular >> > >> >> because we chose to spoonfeed slothful idiots so that a good >> public >> > >> >> impression could be maintained. We are not a corporation and we do >> not >> > >> >> care about our Public relations image. We have had innumerable >> experts >> > >> >> leave the Group because it had become a forum for "homework >> questions" >> > >> >> and the majority of us did not find it intellectually stimulating >> at >> > >> >> all to answer a VFAQ. When laggard nincompoops leave the Group no >> one >> > >> >> notices but when experts leave the Group, the loss is widely felt >> > >> >> because these are the people who actually contribute to make this >> a >> > >> >> better community. >> > >> > >> >> 3. It is I who wrote the "Welcome message" of the Group two years >> back >> > >> >> and it is I who takes the sole responsibility for its >> > >> >> comprehensiveness (or lack, thereof). I welcome suggestions about >> it, >> > >> >> but before you send me manuscripts full of ideas, answer me two >> > >> >> questions - Do you know what percentage of members have never >> > >> >> (bothered to) read the Welcome message? After about 3 years >> moderating >> > >> >> this Group, my estimate is that about 70% of members simply >> ignored >> > >> >> that message and the included rules/regulations. Yes, that is the >> > >> >> reason I later changed a part of it to red and bold faced. Do you >> know >> > >> >> how many emails I get on my personal email address asking me to >> > >> >> subscribe them to the Group's membership ? About 1-2 every day. I >> > >> >> always check and they're almost always already subscribed. I mean, >> how >> > >> >> hard is it to see the "Join this Group" link on the right ? >> > >> > >> >> Even if I chose to include the suggested guidelines explicitly, I >> > >> >> doubt it would have much effect on the behaviour of those whose >> > >> >> languor is so great that they find it easier to ask a question >> here >> > >> >> rather than Google it, for those who would rather write an >> incoherent >> > >> >> question fully of misspellings that >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Charles A. Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
