Thanks much Garey,

that explains too the magic marker markings on the two Sylvanias.

   Chuck


On Dec 9, 2007 5:15 PM, Garey Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Garey Barrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> made an utterance to the drakelist
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> Chuck -
>
> Those numbers are about what you see on a TV-7/D tester and are
> equivalent to transconductance, or "gain" of the tubes.
>
> The procedure used by Drake was to plug them into a test set that
> duplicated the circuit in the T-4X final, set the bias for 35 mA, and
> then plug in one at a time however many they wanted to test/match.
> Their numbers, not related to any quantitative measurement, were
> typically in the 35 - 40 range and were marked on the top of each tube
> with a felt marker.  Neither method has any direct relationship to their
> performance at RF!
>
> Matched tubes are not really  _necessary_, but mismatched tubes can have
> 3rd order distortion products considerably higher than a matched set.
> This can vary from  a few percent up to tens of percent depending upon
> the degree of mismatch.  If you consider a pair of tubes in parallel,
> say that one tube draws 30 mA at a given bias voltage, and the other
> draws 40 mA.  The plate meter shows 70 mA total, but one tube is
> considerably different from the other.  When drive is applied, one tube
> will also draw more plate current than the other, so one tube may be
> providing 60W of the output and the other 70W.  Distortion increases
> rapidly when tubes are driven past the optimum, which Drake measured at
> 175 mA per tube.  So if one tube is drawing 150 mA and the other is
> drawing the other 190 mA, distortion can be pretty bad!  Your nearest
> neighbor ham probably won't appreciate it......  Of course it gets MUCH
> worse if you are driving an amp, since the amp contributes its own
> distortion on top of that from the transmitter.  This tends to widen
> your circle of "fans"!  :-)
>
> Mixing "brands" of tubes is also not prudent, even if "matched" DC wise,
> because different internal construction can make it difficult to
> neutralize the final over all bands.  It works ok a lot of the time, but
> if the neutralization seems hard to optimize, or better on one band than
> another, this could be the cause.  Drake used both Sylvania and RCA, but
> always paired, or tripleted(?) them by brand.  Sylvania was the only
> sweep tube manufacturer that published data for linear RF use.
>
> 73, Garey - K4OAH
> Glen Allen, VA
>
> Drake 2-B, 4-B & C-Line Service Supplement CDs
> <www.k4oah.com>
>
>
>
> Chuck Grandgent wrote:
> > looks like I found a "TR4 matched set" of 6JB6s in the garage that I
> > got back in '99, looks like from WB2LHP. Two Sylvania's and an RCA.
> > Slips of paper for each, two are marked 109, one is marked 110.
> >
> > Those numbers are exactly what ?  What is the typical variation seen
> > among NON-matched 6JB6's ?  What bad stuff might one see when not
> > using matched sets ?
> >
> > Would be fun to know what I paid for them back then.  Of course those
> > dollars were worth more then than now.
> > BTW RFParts didn't have any Sylvania/RCA last week, but did have GE's.
> >
> >    Chuck, K1OM
> >
> >
>
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