Well, I guess it is time for me to say something as well...
At the very first moment when I saw DynAPI 1 I said " oh my god, if we only
had an IDE " and there you go a year and a half later we are talking about
it... The truth is that I am in by all means, and on the top of everything I
know two programming languages only... Delphi and Java... So for me it would
not make a big difference which one we would chose, even though I will have
to strongly agreeeeee with Pascal that our work will be a lot less if we
chose Delphi, and since they are going to support Win32 and Linux we are set
with coverage... (actually Pascal I heard that the way they rewrote the new
VCL pretty soon they will support Solaris as well)...
So I say...
Lets go for it...
/ivokivo
>From: Dan Steinman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] DynBuilder proposal
>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:30:53 -0500
>
>Over a year ago I was playing around with writing a gui program for drawing
>layers in Java. I didn't get very far in it, but I did get a grasp as to
>how big of a job it would be.
>
>An editor written with DynAPI has some great benefits like being able to
>utilize the browser for drawing capabilities and being web enabled.
>However there are serious limitations like not being able to write to a
>file, and load the file (since an editor has to go both ways or else it's
>just a wizard/generator). Also you'd be severly limited as to how
>sophisticated you could make the program.
>
>The ultimate goal would be a Dreamweaver clone. And to do it properly it
>would almost definately have to be written outside of a browser. I would
>be interested in writing an editor in Java.
>
>Such a project could easily become a great deal larger than the DynAPI.
>First you have to get a usable wysiwyg editor which is very cumberson in
>itself once you get beyond drawing simple rectangles. Then you need to get
>file I/O, you need to be able to generate JavaScript code and save it to a
>file. That isn't too difficult. But the big problem is when you want to
>load up an existing file that you created (and hand-edited). You'd need to
>write a JavaScript and DynAPI code parser and be able to draw everything
>roperly. If you catch my drift, you have to write a mini web
>browser/editor in Java!
>
>Beyond just the wysiwyg portion there's a ton more of things that you could
>do. Widget editors, timeline animation editors, being able to coordinate
>browser events to do certain actions (hide,show,move etc).
>
>It's an enormous project which would require a lot of minds (and
>experienced Java coders). I would hope there is enough of us interested in
>at least attempting to write such a program cause it's something that I've
>wanted to do for a long time now.
>
>Dan
>
>
>On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 05:23:57AM -0800, Henrik V�glin wrote:
> > (OOPS learned I couldn't post this to widget-dev list,
> > so here it goes instead)
> >
> > I'm working on a proposal for a DynBuilder ie a
> > webbased tool to build DynAPI code WITH utilising
> > DynAPI (how cool is that, eh?)
> >
> > Anyway, while trying to work out the structure and
> > model of such a tool I have begun with the task to
> > build a GUI for it using the current DynAPI (or at
> > least the one on my HD) to find out what in the DynAPI
> > can be used and what else is required or desirable.
> >
> > So far I have created an own extension called layerpos
> > to position a layer according to the page's borders,
> > which I've implemented into my own class called
> > ccreation (aimed at my ComicCreation site
> > development). I've also compiled a new keyevents
> > extension (using code and ideas from various other
> > keyboard events scripts) now found in the dynacore
> > distribution (and in my still unrelesed ccreation
> > distribution).
> >
> > Now for my structure proposal I'm considering all
> > documents, dynlayers, widgets etc - ie any part of the
> > page under editing - as objects (Object Oriented as it
> > should be, no?). To define a distinction between
> > objects of the page and those of the DynBuilder, I'll
> > call the latter for modules. Modules are essentially
> > tools used for editing or viewing objects in the
> > workspace (ie the page in editing).
> >
> > Things I think will be required (that I can think of
> > now) and that aren't available in any DynAPI
> > distribution to my knowledge are:
> >
> > * a focusmanager which enables DynBuilder to know
> > which layer is currently in focus
> >
> > * a manager that reads out the avaialble properties,
> > events and methods of an object
> >
> > * a manager for loading a page (or several pages
> > maybe) into DynBuilder for editing
> >
> > * a preview mode for viewing the page and maybe a
> > cookiemanager for setting preferences on different
> > browser installation paths for prev
> >
> > * a CodeView (or name it CoreView maybe ;) widget that
> > contains the current code of the page in edit
> >
> > * a formmanager that prepares (a standard) output to a
> > ServerTask (so it can be recieved in any serverside
> > language) - I've seen discussion about creating or how
> > to build one, so maybe that one are already in
> > progress
> >
> > If anybody know that any of these are already a part
> > of DynAPi or any available widgetpack or distribution
> > OR if anybody has any extension or widget similar to
> > this and would share it for the DynBuilder I'd be most
> > interested to take a look. I'd also apprieate it if
> > someone wants to code and contribute it, just let
> > everybody know if you take on the task. The same goes
> > for the below even if these have less priority.
> >
> > Things I think is desirable (for the DynBuilder GUI at
> > least):
> >
> > * an docking ability of dynlayers used as modules
> > (tools for creating and modify objects in the
> > workspace (ie the page in editing)
> >
> > * an WYSIWYG component that runs code from the
> > CodeViewand returns modifictions made to the objects
> > in it infinality to the CodeView and also returning
> > the layer in focus to the DynBuilder when clicked on
> > (or as has sprung to mind - chosen by toggling with
> > keyboard keys - ie adding a keyevent or two)
> >
> > If any body is interested in getting a snapshot
> > preview of my DynBuilder proposal GUI presentation,
> > just let me know and I'll send over a full
> > distribution including the working set of dynapi, my
> > custom ccreation class and examples. Mind you I
> > haven't done any testing besides in IE 5.01 and NS
> > 4.76 though and there are to be expected a few bugs
> > here or there including missing parts. The code and
> > filestructure though could work as a better outline of
> > where I'm at in this stage.
> >
> > If anybody have comments, suggestions or additions to
> > this proposal, please do post'em to the widgetdev list
> > or notify me. Mind you I do not wish to monopolize the
> > development of this, so please, please let me have
> > some input - even if you are a strong opponent to this
> > proposal. If you however like it and want to become a
> > part of DynBuilder team and contribute to its
> > development mind you all doors are open to do so since
> > this no less open source than the rest pf DynAPI (or
> > sourceforge) - my main focus is to make the DynBuilder
> > as open for extensability as DynAPI itself at least,
> > hence its an extension of DynAPI itself.
> >
> > Henrik V�glin [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > =====
> > // Henrik Vaglin
> >
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