Offshoresurfer,
While I (and many others) can understand your desire for remaining
> anonymous for transactions, repeated experience has demonstrated this is
> simply a dangerous manner in which to conduct business. Scams such as the
> one involving victims from auctions being told to send money to a MM for
> payment of (non-existent) goods have proven that accepting payments
without
> validating the identity of the "endorser" is dangerous, costly, and
> sometimes will involve authorities when the victim learns they have been
> scammed and names the MM as an accomplice. (Which is bullshit, but it does
> happen!)
>
> Blindly conducting business in an "anonymous" fashion (no ID
requested,
> no phone calls to verify identity, ect.) has also shown criminals that the
> e-gold system is a great way to hide their profits and move their victims'
> money. I do not profess to have the answers to these problems, but I have
> had calls from enough city, State, and Federal investigators over the last
> 14 months to know that some serious laws are being broken by people
> exploiting e-gold's system. Who can stop them? I do not know. I DO know
> that the amount of counterfeit checks, reversed payments, and claims of
> fraud against Gaithmans has dropped to nearly 0% (probably .05) since we
> began requiring ID and a home phone number to call our clients.
>
> What I can suggest is you continue to use the services of MM's that DO
> NOT require ID. My prediction is that these MM's will continue to have
> problems with fraud, continue to get hit with counterfeit documents,
> continue to have the Auction scams pulled on them, and eventually they
will
> go out of business OR start asking for ID. You do see on Omnipay's order
> template you must provide a e-mail address and phone number, correct?
This
> is used to validate your order and offer the chance for following up for
> more information. In a sense, a type of ID without it being a State
issued
> variety.
>
> What amuses me as a Market Maker is the fact that people are offended
> when I ask for identification. Are you really so afraid to prove who you
> are? Is it my concern what you are going to do with your e-gold profits
or
> how you obtained them? No, unless you did something illegal (auction
scam)
> or try to scapegoat my business for your activities. Then your damn right
I
> want to know who you are so I can let the Gold Community know we have a
> scammer amongst our group. If it were not for the large amount of crime
> being committed against my company and clients I would never have asked
for
> ID in the first place. Trust me, it is cumbersome, costly, and time
> consuming to check ID's and make phone calls. However, it has cut fraud
> back TREMENDOUSLY here at Gaithmans.
>
> >Euro Gold Line and Omnipay are both very professional and neither
> demand ID.
>
> This is not surprising. But I am curious, without it, how do they
> complete the Due Diligence that various members of their administration
tout
> on this discussion list?
>
> Curious,
>
> Eric
>
> Eric Gaither, President
> Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.
> (317) 788-8580 Voice
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http://businesses.msn.com/gege/
>
> Gaithmans: your ultimate e-currency exchange service provider!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "offshoresurfer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:45 PM
> Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: E-Gold to Paypal
>
>
>
> > > Just wondered how you would go about deciding which outexchanges were
> "ill
> > > gotten gains"? Eric said he did verify ID, address, etc., what more
> would
> > > you need to assure yourself that it was "clean" money? ...
> >
> > One key thing is to only accept money from the person with whom you are
> > conducting the transaction. Accepting a third-party wire from a
> third-party
> > like Omnipay is probably not a good idea. In this case it probably
didn't
> > matter, but in general, you wouldn't know if the money you received,
came
> > >from the person whose ID you checked.
>
> I know you guys have to protect yourself from unreasonable law
enforcement,
> but from the point of view of a humble user, it's not really fair to ask
for
> ID on an out-exchange (third party or not) bearing in mind that e-gold is
> basically an anonymous payment system and one can legitimately accumulate
> wealth in it without showing any ID. Personally I just object to people
> asking for my ID on principle when it is none of their business and will
> absolutely boycott any MMs who ask for ID for any transactions. While
there
> are MMs not asking for ID I will always use them and if there are no
more...
> well I might as well just use regular banks. Eurogoldline and Omnipay are
> both very professional and neither demand ID.
>
> offshoresurfer
>
>
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