Farinam, I now Cc our public ML [email protected] which you accepted to receive (sorry for length).
I realize that you may not speak for legal problems in the name of ADI but only for technical ones. So let us know the e-mail of your colleagues at marketing and legal, so that we can address those specific issues. Indeed, being developers of GPL software, we work for the end-users and have to take into account both organizational & technical details. We agree with Richard's and FSF's position below because your proposal is too short-time sighted and insuficient for simple reasons. As you are trapped with third-parties licenses issues, it's now ADI's turn to obtain their authorization, just like we did with you. The [[http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=RequirementsEagleUsbGPL prerequisites we identified]] to work in good conditions (to be brief : with acceptable license + documentation) are part of the explanation of our current difficulties to make the modem work correctly in all cases. The last time ADI provided some technical details is [[https://mail.gna.org/public/eagleusb-dev/2004-11/msg00174.html in this thread of eagleusb-dev ML]], they were useful, though some more questions remain without answers now needed. Technical questions are listed at : http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=DevEagleUsbIII (not all have [yet] answers) and ADI may give precisions to http://faq.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=InfoCmvEn The following forum-support questions may be related to bad choice of CMV http://forum.eagle-usb.org/viewtopic.php?t=3292 [en] In Italy, very low connection download rate http://forum.eagle-usb.org/viewtopic.php?t=3298 [en] In Argentina, problem perhaps related to bad VPI / VCI or CMV, do not know ? http://forum.eagle-usb.org/viewtopic.php?t=3301 [en] Fast 800 E3 not supported in Mdk 10.1, newer version needed, method given by support corresponds to Fast 800 E2T not Fast 800 E3 http://forum.eagle-usb.org/viewtopic.php?t=3302 [fr] driver for Fast 800 not included in RHEL4 http://forum.eagle-usb.org/viewtopic.php?t=3299 [fr] modem stays initializing with Cegetel ADSL Max, problem with CMV ? This list of technical questions may reveal a never-ending one depending on the level of information we are provided : "it's better to teach someone to use a fishing-rod, than just giving fish whenever he asks". Being given fishing-rods correspond to an acceptable license, being taught how to use them corresponds to documentation, just giving fish may require ADI to involve in our [[http://forum.eagle-usb.org forum support]] (which you can too, as it's free : I hope you speak French, Spanish, English. Italian / Polish / German / Russian would be a plus and there are many other countries concerned :-) ). Those problems arise since we implemented the undocumented CMV feature and have already appeared on the ML for some time now. Having short-term answers is a work-around, not the solution. If you need a dedicated ML not polluted with all development discussion we can open it, this may be more focused / filtered. Have a good week-end, I hope we can work together efficiently next week. Please, let us know your position by next wednesday or sooner, then we'll enter details and need answers. @++ Ben'. aka baud123 --------- Le jeudi 07 avril 2005 à 14:27 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit : > > My apologies for the delay in responding; engineering group had to > > wait for the legal department's final decision. Unfortunately, the > > source code for USB firmware and DSL code cannot be disclosed due > > to third party licensing issues. > > That is quite unfortunate, but I am sure that someone will > work on reverse-engineering them. In the mean time, > the Free Software Movement has no choice in how to respond. > We will urge people to buy other products, not these. Le mercredi 06 avril 2005 à 11:00 -0400, Farahmand, Farinam a écrit : > Hi Ben, > > My apologies for the delay in responding; engineering group had to wait for > the legal department's final decision. Unfortunately, the source code for USB > firmware and DSL code cannot be disclosed due to third party licensing > issues. We all regret the delay caused by this process and are willing to > resume our collaboration with EAGLE USB team on any other engineering issues > related to ADSL technology. > > Please forward me any, non-licensing, non-proprietary, DSL related issues and > I will be more than happy to get the answer from the engineers in our > department. > > Best Regards, > Farinam > > -----Original Message----- > From: EagleUsb Team [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:23 PM > To: Farahmand Farinam; Farahmand Rouzbeh; Nicolas RIOU; Ludovic AUROUX > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL > PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Fwd: Re: [Eagleusb-dev] The omega & the alpha > > > Hi, > Well, you know the reason why we are sending it once again : with no answer > for more that 6 months, we still expect to get the source for firmware USB > *and* DSP code for eagle-usb driver (USB ADSL modem like Sagem Fast 800 and > others with chipset by ADI), either be it under BSD 2-clause or preferably > GPL). > > Thanks for answering, we know you've already worked with your legal > department (apparently to no avail or any answer), what is your marketing > choice to get this driver fully free ?). > Should I remind you our position which is at > http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=DeveloppementGPL > we only ask you to enter negociation : either be it GPL or BSD-2clause with > source, we are ready to accept. > Indeed, our main request would be to get documentation : a new functionality > like CMV is *not* that easy to implement without any support from you (either > in France, Italy or Spain...). How can we cope with it with no information ? > We have one objective in mind : the end user, do you have the same ? > If so, "we" may be used as a useful canal to filter your work ??? > If not so, we are ready to give out your professional e-mail (not much that : > one mail a day, if it goes well... as only 2% users out of 100 have a > problem... (be ready though, you may include us in the loop, just for 1st > level help as one mail a day may be 15 mails a week if you answer... our > forum is open at http://forum.eagle-usb.org and may give you a better place > to answer once and for all on specific problems...). > > Well, I just may just cannot understand your current position, as you're > selling hardware, please make it clear for me of your decisions not to > release driver's source code, I can't see your business at this level (you > may have one on the short term, I can't see Sagem accepting it on a > decreasing market like USB ADSL modems that get eaten by either full TCP > modems (ethernet) or higher throughput (Freebox at 20 MB/s) specific modems. > Maybe your marketing departement is ready to earn money when your legal > departement wants to get zero contract (easier for them) ? Make your choice > ! Please involve your marketing management who may be more realistic as we > are living in a real world, not "all the time* paying end-users (that was 3 > years ago... please update). > > see below for the long term plan, we are ready to negotiate in order to work > cooperatively and as efficiently as possible. > BTW would you have an Eagle-Usb IV going ? > @++ > Ben'. aka baud123 > -------- Message transféré -------- > De: Benoit Audouard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > À: [email protected] > Objet: Re: [Eagleusb-dev] The omega & the alpha > Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:21:47 +0200 > Re, > I avoided making the announce yesterday, for fear some of you would not > believe it ;-) > > Le vendredi 18 mars 2005 à 23:10 +0100, Frederick Ros a écrit : > > Dear all, > > > > So, I'm looking for someone who will take it over (I mean who will > > have to take over the kernel part of eagle-usb, as all the > > user-space/packaging/management is already handled by a very dedicated > > and competent team. Good work boys !) > > Matthieu Castet has accepted the offer to our delight. In the name of all the > eagle-usb team, we thank him a lot ! He has already contributed to the driver > and even proposed a new version based on usbatm. > > So, the current driver will be maintained both for kernel-2.4 and > kernel-2.6.x and will continue to evolve. > The new driver ueagle-atm works for kernel-2.6.x only, please give it a try > if you're interested : http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=DevEagleUsbATM > > A version 0.1.0 of ueagle-atm should be out very soon now. I propose to open : > - a new dedicated wiki which would be at http://atm.eagle-usb.org > - a new project ueagleatm at gna so that we can have both drivers in > parallel (well, there will be a new mailing-list too...). We'll try to use > svn instead of cvs which is easier to obtain development snapshots. > - if anyone has an idea for a new logo, s/he is welcome ! > > We think this will be the new driver we'll push to the kernel, if Analog and > Sagem want to contribute they can give (again) a look at > http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=DeveloppementGPL > we'd be happy to have some more feedback as we did not understand your > "sudden" silence for some time now. We'd really like to obtain a common > http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=StatementOfWorkGPL at your conditions > if they are reasonnable to us. > > > So .. any volunteers ? > Well, other can join in as "plus on est de fou, moins ya de riz", for one > simple reason at least : learn new things (either be it ADSL, perl, Python, > polish / english / italian / spanish...). Furthermore, I've already alerted > on the fact that we'll soon all have a Freebox instead of the Sagem Fast 800, > so people using other ISP would be greatly needed (did I already ask for help > on http://forum.eagle-usb.org ?). > > So long and thanks for all the fish sl33p3r (enjoy !), your omega is followed > by a new alpha (driver) as a bonus ;-) The phoenix never perishes in flames... > > So, more on all this later on, feel free to ask any question. @++ Ben'. aka > baud123 >
