> Any good qualities I or anyone else might have are developed IN SPITE 
> of being expected to be a man, not BECAUSE of it.  The successful man 
> is one who is capable and willing to subordinate women, animals, and 
> other specified inferiors, and who is capable and willing to repress 
> himself sufficiently to obey his superiors in the male hierarchy, 
> even when that obedience requires self-destruction, as in war.  
> Neither of these essential traits of manhood, the domination over 
> others or the self-destructive deference to authority, is a positive 
> human quality.  To the extent that males develop other, positive 
> qualities, they are not being men.  For example, males who won't 
> marry (i.e., take personal possession of a woman) are not true men, 
> males who refuse to eat animal flesh are not true men, males who will 
> not fight wars are not true men, etc., etc.  
> 
> Brian
> 

what the hell are you talking about? this is just about the most pathetic 
lame ass guilt-ridden thing i ever heard come out of a "man's" mouth. 
youre right brian, you are definitely NOT a true man. and i hope youre 
not under the mistaken assumption that youre a woman! so what are you 
anyway? 

-anne

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