As I have said before it would ideally be our own choices. Otherwise we
might as well sing along over the cliff of overpopulation, stagnation and
environmental destruction.

Bertina 
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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Candi Chruchill wrote:

> I haven't been following this whole debate, so maybe this has been said, 
> but let's not forget that when we get into this issue, WOMEN are the people 
> we are talking about controlling.  Women must have control over our bodies, 
> not governments, not environmentalists, not men.  Women have been 
> sterilized against their will for being poor or from the "Third World" or 
> of "Third World" background or immigrants or of certain religious 
> backgrounds; we've also been forced to have abortions/take birth control, 
> been denied abortions/birth control and forced pregnancy.  some of us who 
> have money can control our bodies, but even these women do not have 
> complete access.  We do not live in a world where women control their 
> bodies. Economics, male supremacy, and conservative forces limit our 
> freedom, in every country in the world.  Let us not forget that limiting 
> family size, whatever the intentions might be, often hurts women.  The 
> people in control of this world at this moment are not sensitive to human 
> rights;  the rich and male segments of our global community (even in the 
> ecological movement) are often very biased (i.e., racist, sexist and profit 
> driven).  Please keep these things in mind because when (eco)feminists 
> start advocating for population control without making these points, it is 
> scary.  Who will consider these things if WE aren't?!
> Candi Churchill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 8:57 AM
> To:   STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT
> Subject:      Re: family size,etc.
> 
> I certainly agree with you on the limiting of children per family. In the
> 60s a little-known writer/scientist at the time Isaac Asimov wrote of the
> future problems with population and the need to lessen family-size to
> maximize the continuation of life on this planet. At the time it was
> probably a radical idea, but now it is far more feasible and necessary.
> 
> IMHO,
> 
> Bertina
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, bunny wrote:
> 
> >
> > What is the answer? In my opinion a global acceptance (over time) of a 
> one
> > or two children limit on children per family and enforcement of recycling
> > through
> > controling manufacturers outputs and that everyone turns vegetarian/vegan
> > (no more intensively farmed animals).
> >
> > The radical steps necessary to save what is left of the earth will be 
> fought
> > by many religions and capitalists and therefore it will be very hard to
> > reconcile religious beliefs and Ecofeminism (in my view).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marguerite
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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