Hi Josh,

Interesting post!  The terms "adaptation, progression, and ecosystem
evolution" are confusing to me.  But, I think I understand your point, and
in my classes the cleverest students typically will ask me the same kind of
question you posed to Ecolog!

I think one of the obvious reasons that invasive species are a concern is
that they can have a strong negative impact on biodiversity.  This has been
shown in numerous systems, and publications.  But, as an example, just
yesterday I was on a hike with a group in a place near Dayton, Ohio called
"The Glen."   This is a limestone gorge covered with deciduous forest.  In
areas of this forest where the manager actively works, the herbaceous layer
at this time of year is extremely species rich.  We didnt lay down a plot,
but in some areas we counted 20 (or so) native species of herbaceous plant
within a very small area (1m2 or so).  These small patches are where the
manager can hold at bay an incredibly potent invasion of garlic mustard
(among other species).  In the  invaded sites (which make up the vast
majority of the forest floor), within roughly the same area (1m2 or so),
the species diversity is extremely low and we basically didnt see any of
the native species.  It is very clear that garlic mustard, privet, Amur
honeysuckle, and other species in this site are playing by different rules
than the natives.  They are going to win, and the native species will lose,
unless there is intervention.

So, I think It comes down to what is your tolerance for the loss of native
biodiversity?  It is probably the case that the system will eventually come
to some kind of new equilibrium as pathogens/pests and some of the native
species "figure out" how to deal with these new species, but we dont have a
timeline for this.  Could it be 100 years?  An eye-blink on geologic time
scales, no doubt, but plenty of time for site-specific biodiversity to be
drastically reduced.  Many of the native species in question at The Glen
(e.g., Erythronium, Sanguinaria) are "slow plants" (sensu Glenn Matlack)
and have very low reproductive and dispersal rates.  So there is good
reason to believe that this biodiversity loss could be permanent.  Bottom
line- are you okay with letting species richness drop from "incredibly
rich" to "extremely low"?  And, I am not asking you Josh, I think that is a
question for natural areas management.  If they say "NO!!" then it is part
of our job as ecologists to figure out how to best achieve the goal.

In the meantime, invasive species allow us to ask some really interesting
questions about how ecological communities are assembled!

Best,
Ryan


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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Joshua Wilson
<joshua.m.wils...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> I know that invasive and non-native species have been getting a great deal
> of attention lately, and justly.  I understand the basic ecological impacts
> and concerns invasive species cause, and the disruption of the native
> system.  My main question is:
>
> Why are invasive species considered a nuisance, instead of adaptation,
> progression, or perhaps ecosystem evolution?
>
> Yes, human beings have been a main cause of the large majority of these
> invasions.  But even so, I feel we are part of the natural system.  If an
> invasive species exhibits more plasticity or is more competitive and
> adaptive than the present species in an ecosystem, does that necessarily
> imply catastrophic impacts?  There are multiple arguments against this, I
> know, many of them strong and verified.  I am not an advocate of invasive
> species dominated ecosystems, but am just curious why this change and shift
> is considered so extremely detrimental.  I feel that stable and progressive
> change and adaptation is the basis of a strong ecological system.
>
> I would welcome any thoughts on this, or perhaps to start a discussion.  I
> am still an undergrad, so my question may seem farfetched and ridiculous to
> some.  Even so, just something to ponder on a lovely Sunday morning.
>
> Have a good day all,
>
> Josh Wilson
>

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