Please consider the credibility of the science. I was very disappointed
just last week because I was included as a co-author on a manuscript that
did not go through a credible review process. I reported the issue to the
editor after first asking the PI's what the heck was going on. I then asked
them to resubmit after moving my name to the acknowledgements.
My interest is credible science. If that results in manuscripts submitted
to scientific journals, then great. That said, I'm very lucky (on purpose)
that my job is not graded on the quantity of journal articles with my name
on them.
Here's the theory I use:
If Review = Credible
Then Article = Credible
Else Article <> Credible
End If;
Sincerely,
Ed Laurent, PhD
Member of the National Roster of Environmental Conflict Resolution
Professionals <https://www.udall.gov/OurPrograms/Institute/Roster.aspx>
On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Malcolm McCallum <
malcolm.mccallum.ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In all my life, I have met dozens if not dozens of dozens of people who
> were left off papers and felt they belonged on the manuscript. In every
> case the situation caused problems.
>
> In all my life, I have NEVER, NOT ONE SINGLE TIME EVER, met someone who
> got irate because they were included as an author on a manuscript, period.
> In fact, I cannot recall a single time that someone held a grudge or was
> upset because they were included on a paper. It is well understood that a
> manuscript's authorship is distributed in regard to effort, but it is also
> distributed according to responsiblity. Anyone thing the 200th author on
> the Human Genome Project is remembered or targeted anymore than the 199th
> author? I doubt most people will see those names beyond the first author,
> maybe the last.
>
> When a paper goes to press, easily 90% of the responsiblity is born by the
> lead author. I get the distinct feeling there is nothing political or
> otherwise warranting concern about protecting anyone in this case.
>
> I personally feel that most people are over-whelmingly selfish/stingy with
> distribution of effort, and most guidelines are simply provided by people
> who are more concerned about other people's activity than there own.
> Further, they put way to much weight on being 10th author on a 20 author
> manuscript.
>
> IF more people concerned themselves with publishing their own papers,
> producing their own results, and actually contributing to science, then
> this entire issue would be mute.
>
> Do what you think is fair.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Jeff Houlahan <jeffh...@unb.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gary and all, this one's an interesting one. Your position is one I
>> have a lot of sympathy for - it's generous and gives credit where it's
>> due. What makes this tricky is that it also gives responsibility that
>> somebody might not want to accept. I know it's unlikely and not that
>> common but there may be instances where somebody would prefer not to have
>> their name on a paper where they've done enough work to warrant
>> authorship. If my name showed up on a paper without me ever being aware
>> that it had been submitted I would be a little bothered. If I read the
>> paper and didn't agree with the interpretation I would be very unhappy.
>> That said, the idea of not giving credit to somebody who deserves it just
>> seems wrong. This is a rock and a hard place. Best, Jeff Houlahan
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news <
>> ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> on behalf of Gary Grossman <
>> gdgross...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* August 20, 2016 12:04 PM
>> *To:* ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [ECOLOG-L] Query on authorship
>>
>> Querido Jorge, this is a murky area of co-authorship except for one
>> point. Coauthorship is *earned* and should not be taken away because of
>> some other circumstance outside of the project responsibilities. Given that
>> the second student completed the work while they were at your institution,
>> the simple solution, given that they did indeed earn coauthorship, is to
>> put them on the paper with your institutional address. If you're worried
>> about someone contacting them then just asterisk their name and in the
>> footnote put "current address unknown". !Eso! g2
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Jorge A. Santiago-Blay <
>> blayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Query on authorship
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues:
>>>
>>> I am writing a small paper resulting from research done with two
>>> undergraduates many years ago (and, later on, involving several other
>>> colleagues using cutting-edge technology). As the results became obvious,
>>> both of the students agreed (orally, in person) with me that we should get
>>> the research published. As far as I remember, there was no email or letter
>>> documenting that and, there was no manuscript, only the data and the
>>> methods we were using.
>>>
>>> The problem: I have located one of the former students (now a researcher
>>> at a major research institution), who is excited about getting the research
>>> published, but not the second student.
>>>
>>> Question: How to handle the contribution (including authorship) of the
>>> other person? Here are some options I see.
>>>
>>> a. *Omit the name of the person that has not been located* and indicate
>>> that another person was involved in the data collection but we were hot
>>> able to locate him/her to get his/her approval to use his/her name as an
>>> author. Under these circumstances, would it be OK to name the person in
>>> the Acknowledgments? Lately, I am asking permission to do that because
>>> sometimes some people prefer to remain anonymous.
>>>
>>> b. *Include the name of the person I cannot locate as an author*, an
>>> act of fairness and good faith on my part. If the person does not like the
>>> idea (and the paper is published) retract the name of the person in an
>>> erratum, later on, and assume responsibility for my error. A kind colleague
>>> did that to me once and, subsequently, it has resulted a long standing
>>> collaboration (and co-authorship in many papers, with my knowledge) :)
>>>
>>> c. *Nor use the data garnered by the person I cannot locate*. Although
>>> I am pretty sure I am authorized by the institution to use the data, as a
>>> general personal; preference, I like to ask permission.
>>>
>>> If you have something constructive to comment, kindly direct your
>>> comments to me, blayjo...@gmail.com ,
>>>
>>> Apologies for potential duplicate emails.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>> Jorge A. Santiago-Blay, PhD
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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