Richard,
You may want to look at one other option.
Before Hayes closed it's doors, Harbinger (SupplyTech) worked with Hayes to
develop AutoSync and subsequently AutoSync II. The AutoSync technology
provides the Hayes Optima External the ability to emulate BISYNC
communications. As with the Cleo, you also have the extra value of ASYNC as
well. The Hayes approach is perfect for those customers that only have one
BISYNC connection requirement as AutoSync will only connect to 9600 baud
BISYNC connections. Unfortunately this is not a perfect solution for the
ASYNC+BISYNC problem. There still exists some connections, like MACK truck
(4800 baud), that do not support 9600. Therefore, those wanting to connect
to both MACK truck and WALMART would not be able to use AutoSync -- the Cleo
AllSync (3780Plus) would be the best choice. The cost of the AUTOSYNC
capable Hayes Optima External solution (from Harbinger) is ~$250.
Since Harbinger worked directly with Hayes, I am not sure if any other EDI
solution providers picked up on this technology. The only product I know
that makes use of the AutoSync technology is TrustedLink Windows (STX).
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Walter Pickel
Director, Internet Services
QRS Corporation
1400 Marina Way South
Richmond, CA 94804
510.215.3978 voice
510.621.3978 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.qrs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Druckenmiller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: walmart VAN
I've heard it all now...
As for Wal-Mart I offer my clients Interface Systems' solution which
is: Cleo 3780Plus software plus the Hayes Optima internal 56K modem -
at around $1700.00 it does the trick. I wrote DOS batch files for
Windows 9x and NT to rename and archive files as they come in to the
date and time they arrive.
The Internet beats the heck out of a $1700.00 price tag. With AT&T as
my VAN and their free software I can send secure EDI data over the
Internet. If only AT&T took care of Wal-Mart for me...
-RD
D'Anne Weitzman wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> >From my perspective, it seems that you are not very experienced with
BISYNC. Of
> course I may be totally wrong, but I had to put my two cents in.
> Bisync may be old, but it is tried and true. And even though it is slow,
which
> is only because
> people do not want to put in dedicated lines (bisync does run over T1), it
is
> secure.
> I will not dispute the fact that WAL-MART is a pain to work with. I have
been
> dealing
> with them since day one, and will never step foot in their stores. (my
choice I
> know)
>
> The WIN (Walmart Information Network) runs on Sterling Commerce Products.
> Years ago it was SUPERTRACS, now I think it is CONNECT:Mailbox and others.
>
> To help lighten the weight on an 800 pound gorilla, you have to stop
feeding it,
> and
> try working with it.
>
> The Internet has no security without pouring out lots of money, time, and
hiring
> the
> experts on firewalls, who seem to be x-hackers anyway. And after all that,
it is
> still not secure.
> Now there are companies creating their own proprietary private Internets
> (i,e,ANX)
> and requiring their buyers and suppliers to use it. ANX it not
cheap.....nor is
> it inexpensive.
>
> I have no problem with wanting to use the Internet. I think that it is a
> valuable
> asset and a great opportunity for the future. And there are even a couple
of
> Internet Vans
> out there helping it along.
> What I do have a problem with is people pushing the Internet. Pushing it
as the
> cheap way to do business. There may be some people who are
> ready to deal with it, but most are so inexperienced with it they have no
idea
> what they
> are getting themselves into, all they know is that someone who thinks they
have
> the
> answers said it is faster, better and cheaper. A lot of times I have found
that
> these
> people with the answers cannot even provide the solution.
>
> This includes people who are constantly pushing XML, especially to replace
EDI.
> Some of
> these people do not have a clue about what it is all about, or the years
and
> tears that it
> took to get to where we are with EDI today. Plus they do not have a clue
about
> the years
> and tears it will take to standardize XML. But they continue to push it
on
> people and
> companies as being the way out of EDI and Bisync. The so called "cheap"
way out.
>
> Well, they get what they pay for.
>
> Opinion submitted without charge.
> D'Anne Weitzman
>
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> | | to Dave Taylor |
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>
> Hi EDI at Helion,
>
> First, just a semantic point: you're not edaling with "Walmart's VAN",
> you're dealing with Walmart directly.
>
> Walmart's Electronic Services group publishes a document entitled "Getting
> Started with EDI" which they will send or e-mail to their Vendor (your
> customer). You can ask your customer to request that document and forward
> it to you, or you can contact the Walmart Fax-On-Demand at 501-277-5505.
> Use Option 1 to get a list of available EDI documents and go from there.
>
> This document contains their communications interface specs, support desk
> phone number and hours and testing procedures.
>
> If their numbers haven't changed, you can contact their support desk at
> 501-273-4556, Mon-Fri, 8AM-5PM Central Time. Their testing group is
Option
> 3 on their phone menu. You will need your customer's Vendor No. and other
> information defined in the above document.
>
> Technical information about the bisync modem required to connect with
> Walmart is available at Interface Systems, Inc., 815-654-8110.
>
> Now, for the editorial break:
>
> I've been asking this 800lb gorilla for 2 years now about an internet
> connection option. They had a person assigned to such a development
> project, but that person left the EDI department and no one has picked up
> the ball. This bisynch modem stuff is an absolute pain every time we turn
> around.
>
> If you or your customer have any influence, you (and everyone else on the
> list) can do us all a big favor by exerting every pressure possible on
> Walmart to join us in the 21st Century by adding a communications option
> other than bisynch, and preferably (for us) an internet-based option.
>
> Good luck to you and your customer. Let us all know how you progress.
>
> Dave Taylor
> Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
> 800-797-6275
>
> P.S. Another editorial:
>
> While I hear grumbling from time to time about "vendors" taking commercial
> advantage of the list, I must say that a great deal of the most valuable
> information comes from the vendors, because we are all out in the industry
> meeting and greeting these opportunities every day.
>
> It's a real pleasure for us to be able to provide some assistance to those
> who have assisted us so often. Thank you all for your continued
> participation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:35 AM
> Subject: walmart VAN
>
> > Howdy -
> > can anyone share any info/suggestions/experiences regarding testing with
> > walmarts' bisynch VAN? We have a client who is a walmart vendor, and
we're
> > trying to hook them up, however, we are finding walmart less than
> > cooperative.
> >
> > helion
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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