Ken: If the service included the following, what would you be willing to pay for it:
TP ID Management: 1) Registration of your ID so your Trading Partners could track any changes you make 2) Managing a list of all your Trading Partners so you would be automatically notified of any of their changes 3) Automated VAN migration notifications both from you to your Trading Partners and your Trading Partners to you 4) Electronic Web Services interface for all functionalities, including real-time Trading Partner look ups AS2 Management 1) AS2 public configuration information to share with Trading Partners 2) Trading Partner management including their AS2 configuration information 3) Public Key repository including past, current and future 4) New Public Key transition management including TP notification and downloads 5) Real-time Web Services interface for all functionalities, including checking, uploading and downloading of current Public Keys Regards, Todd Gould President Loren Data Corp. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Etter To: Alain Brousseau ; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Re : [EDI-L] [ANSWERS] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Alan, Your response still didn't address the core issue of keeping updated and the subject question of outdated TP data. If have an active TP and that same TP changes their ID and doesn't notify me - shame on them AND my next EDI transmission won't go to the correct destination OR it will error out completely either upon receipt by the TP or to my VAN or the VAN interconnect. If have an active TP and that same TP changes their ID and notifies me AND I don't update my TP setup, - shame on me. My transmission will error out either at receipt by the TP or at the VAN or the VAN Interconnect. But in either case, either I don't receive a 997 or the TP will notify me that I have sent it using the wrong Id. And I have had this happen literally only once in 10 years - but according to your service, that would have helped me prevent that to a tune of at least $799 (more if I had more than one ID to register). The only way I can see this service really preventing any of the above issues is if somehow, I update my EDI software to automatically connect to your service and perform an ectronic check EVERYTIME I create an outbound transmission or even just once a day. But I saw nothing on your site that allows me to do that. As a true EDI professional knows, it is our responsibility to keep our systems updated and current. I personally check with my TP's every 6 months just to see if any contacts or related information has changed. I also have the responsibility to notify every one of my TP's when I am making a change to one of my specs, have any sort of system down time that will affect sending or receiving EDI and especially if I'm going to be changing or adding a new TP id. Also there are significant LEGAL ramifications involving business agreements when a TP makes the sort of changes or additions with an EDI Id you are indicating your service is for and doesn't clearly convey those changes to EVERY ONE of their active trading partners. And as Leah indicated, you may have sought out the wrong group to try and present your 'message' to. Our employers pay us our salaries to do my job, correctly and in a timely basis. In the rare event that something happens regarding a TP Id, it is addressed very quickly and easily. I guess, like many others on this list, I'm not really seeing the value of having to spend $79.97/year/Id to register my own ID's and then have to manually check your site every day, week or month to check to make sure my TP's have updated their own id's or added new ones, when that is an expectation I already have they will update me for free. Perhaps if you can provide a list who (what companies) in the top Fortune 1000 have already signed up for your registry, that can help tell us if some of the industry leaders are using your service. I can't tell that from your site that any well known companies are already using it and that would surely be a BIG selling point. Ken [email protected] From: Alain Brousseau <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:37 PM Subject: Re : [EDI-L] [ANSWERS] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Hi group, Thanks for sharing all your comments and questions about WhoisEDI. First of all, I noticed that most of questions/comments seem to be caused by misunderstanding the vocation of WhoisEDI. To make it short, WhoisEDI is there to help. All suggestions or comments to clarify that point are always welcome. You can use the “contact us” link on the WhoisEDI web site (www.whoisedi.com) to communicate with us any time. So let’s begin! Ken asked: “Is this a sales related email or is the service free?”. Answer: This was a sale related email. Unfortunately the [SALES] tag was not included in the subject by Phillipe. I apologize for that. Rest assures that it will be included with any other sale post. The cost of $79.97 per identifier per year gives access to all features. Leah says: “In my experience "Avoid sending business-critical documents to the wrong EDI address!" is very seldom the issue.” Answer: You are right. But when it occurs, it is costly and cumbersome. Let say you want to use a new EDI ID. You check with your VAN to make sure it is not already used. Your VAN CANNOT be aware if the ID exists on any other VANs since VANs keep there clients info in private internal database. You may find later, when you will need an interconnect, that the ID was already used by another company. Jason asked: “And, "With your self-maintained....", what value is this? I have a "self maintained" list on the server, in an excel spreadsheet and, I'll admit, on two pieces of cardboard on my desk. Also, TP EDI info is (and had better be) maintained in your EDI translator, whatever that may be.” Answer: WhoisEDI provides a tool where each trading partner maintains is own information (think of WHOIS for the Internet Domain Name). This information is shared between partners after a mutual agreement. So if a trading partner is part of 5000 trading partner lists on WhoisEDI, it changes his information once and everybody is informed in real time. Samantha says : “If I were to tell them who I work for and who all my trading partners were then who's to say they wouldn't be selling all that info to SPS or the like who'd try to use it to make inroads here. ” Answer: We have a very strict Privacy Policy. We will NEVER share, sell, rent or give any information to third parties or anybody. We secure your data in multiple ways so they are always safe. The only persons who will have access to your precious data are the trading partners that you will have confirmed. Leah says: “Also, unless all of your TP's sign up for this paid service, you're not going to "Be notified as soon as your trading partner changes a critical piece of their EDI information."” Answer: Exactly! This is why it is important that every organizations doing EDI register their IDs. Jason says: “At best the expiration date on AS2 certificates is usually what causes more problems than EDI addresses. However, keeping a close eye on 997s sent (or missing) from the TP can be helpful in alerting you to an EDI address change.” Answer: Keeping an eye on 997 is something everybody should do. WhoisEDI or not! This is not the role of WhoisEDI to replace 997s. Ken asked: “I'm sorry but I'm really not sure how this service can help me save time and money looking for lost documents I generated on my own EDI system or those from trading partners sending documents with my TP id..” Answer: WhoisEDI is there to prevent lost documents in the first place. Your documents may goes trough multiple networks. With a central, global and unique database of EDI identifier, the work of everybody involved in the process of tracking lost documents will be greatly facilitate. We also provide a Web Service interface to communicate directly with your ERP to communicate changes about your trading partners. Ken also asked: “I really do have to ask Mr LaMarche, has he or anyone at WHOISEDI ever actually ran an EDI system?” Answer: Most WhoisEDI employees are coming from different part of the EDI world (VAN, EDI coordinator, etc). Chris asked: “Why would I do this registration? Can’t think of a reason.” Answer: To facilitate the communication with your EDI trading partners. If you have any other questions, comments, or anything else, you are more then welcome to contact us at 1-800-565-5335 or by email at [email protected]. If you prefer, we can arrange for a live demonstration. Thank you all for your attention. Alain Brousseau WhoisEDI inc. ________________________________ De : Leah Halpin <[email protected]> À : Jason McMahon <[email protected]>; [email protected] Envoyé le : Mer 27 avril 2011, 16h 48min 12s Objet : Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Jason, The most valuable thing you can learn is never, never, take the word of a sales person at face value. Leah ________________________________ From: Jason McMahon <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 3:37:34 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! One thing I love about these discussions is that you learn a lot about the EDI world you may not have actually dealt with personally. To be forewarned is to be fore armed, and whether that scares you or not, I would rather know about it ahead of time than learn about it after the fact. The complexity of EDI requires a lot of these kinds of dialogue so I am glad they take place regardless. Sincerely, Jason McMahon 8079 Village Drive Cincinnati, OH 45242-4315 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] http://gutausse.weebly.com/articles.html <http://gutausse.blogspot.com> http://gutausse.blogspot.com <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-mcmahon/11/743/51b> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-mcmahon/11/743/51b You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person. _____ From: Leah Halpin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:22 PM To: Ken Etter; Jason McMahon; philipelamarche; [email protected] Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! I'm pretty sure we scared him off and it's not even Friday yet. Leah _____ From: Ken Etter <[email protected]> To: Jason McMahon <[email protected]>; philipelamarche <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 3:00:25 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! When or IF that happens, that usually means someone internally got the wrong customer Id on the order which according to our EDI system is still not an error because even the wrong customer Id can belong to a valid EDI customer. But still not understanding how my spending $79 and change to register my TP id on an external site is going to keep me from transmitting my 810 to the wrong TP... And if I send the 856 to the wrong TP and you're not on top of things (like Jason mentioned checking for the 997 or even easier have your 997 timeout set correctly), most retailers have a wonderful correction mechanism called a chargeback. Then you can explain to your management why the company got this chargeback fee for ASN not arrive on the largest shipment in company history... Perhaps it's time for Philipe LaMarche to return and address some of our questions and concerns... Ken [email protected] <mailto:edispec%40yahoo.com> From: Jason McMahon <[email protected] <mailto:gutausse%40cinci.rr.com> > To: 'philipelamarche' <[email protected] <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> >; [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! In my experience "Avoid sending business-critical documents to the wrong EDI address!" is very seldom the issue. - I agree. At best the expiration date on AS2 certificates is usually what causes more problems than EDI addresses. However, keeping a close eye on 997s sent (or missing) from the TP can be helpful in alerting you to an EDI address change. Sincerely, Jason McMahon 8079 Village Drive Cincinnati, OH 45242-4315 <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:gutausse%40cinci.rr.com> > [email protected] <mailto:gutausse%40cinci.rr.com> http://gutausse.weebly.com/articles.html <http://gutausse.blogspot.com> http://gutausse.blogspot.com <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-mcmahon/11/743/51b> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-mcmahon/11/743/51b You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person. _____ From: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Leah Halpin Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:31 PM To: Ken Etter; philipelamarche; [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Just clicked on the FAQ. I particularly like this one: The identifier I am already using appears to have been registered by another company.... Congratulations, you just saved a lot of money! You now know that your EDI ID is not safe to use! Send us an email using the Contact Us link and tell us the ID you tried to register. We will contact you very shortly to help you resolve the situation. Or you can simply change your EDI ID. ________________________________ From: Leah Halpin <[email protected] <mailto:leahhalpin%40yahoo.com> <mailto:leahhalpin%40yahoo.com> > To: Ken Etter <[email protected] <mailto:edispec%40yahoo.com> <mailto:edispec%40yahoo.com> >; philipelamarche <[email protected] <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> >; "[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> " <[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 2:28:46 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Only $79.97 per year per EDI identifier. In my experience "Avoid sending business-critical documents to the wrong EDI address!" is very seldom the issue. And, "With your self-maintained....", what value is this? I have a "self maintained" list on the server, in an excel spreadsheet and, I'll admit, on two pieces of cardboard on my desk. Also, TP EDI info is (and had better be) maintained in your EDI translator, whatever that may be. Also, unless all of your TP's sign up for this paid service, you're not going to "Be notified as soon as your trading partner changes a critical piece of their EDI information." Unless Mr. Lamarche, you're going to be polling every business doing EDI daily for any changes? Leah ________________________________ From: Ken Etter <[email protected] <mailto:edispec%40yahoo.com> <mailto:edispec%40yahoo.com> > To: philipelamarche <[email protected] <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> >; "[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> " <[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 2:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Is this a sales related email or is the service free? From: philipelamarche <[email protected] <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> <mailto:philipelamarche%40yahoo.com> > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Stop Spending Time and Money Digging Through Outdated Trading Partner Data! Dear EDI community, My name is Philipe Lamarche. I am responsible of the marketing at WhoisEDI.com <https://www.whoisedi.com/?utm_source=yahoo-groups <https://www.whoisedi.com/?utm_source=yahoo-groups <https://www.whoisedi.com/?utm_source=yahoo-groups&utm_medium=message&utm_ca > &utm_medium=message&utm_ca mpaign=launch> &utm_medium=message&ut\ m_campaign=launch> , the Official EDI Identifier and EDI trading partner registry. I thought you might be interested to join our EDI social network application to stay connected to your EDI trading partners, anytime, anywhere. Maintain all your EDI information in ONE place. Be notified as soon as your trading partner changes a critical piece of their EDI information. An EDI social network application to stay connected to your EDI trading partners, anytime, anywhere. Avoid sending business-critical documents to the wrong EDI address! Your EDI identifier is guaranteed to be unique in the system. With your self-maintained trading partner list, you can easily find out which of your trading partner supports a particular EDI document, optimizing your EDI capabilities. You can even send email to a group of trading partners to inform them of your updated EDI guideline! A powerful and SECURE web application that provides up-to-date, business critical EDI information. We protect customer data in a number of ways and have implemented an integrated hardware and software platform designed to maintain the ongoing confidentiality, integrity and availability of all customer data uploaded to the WhoisEDI Application. Join the community now! 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