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Yes, I know it's not Friday but.......



Harold DeWayne, CECP, RECS

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Ken Etter <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
>
> Matt,
>
> Here's a couple more pieces of food for thought:
>
> Are you aware that a growing number of cases recruiters will perform their
> own search (of job boards) and contact potential candidates prior to posting
> the position online themself?  They do this to potentially save themself
> time and effort from having to field through a myriad of responses AND calls
> from interested candidates after the job is posted on a site.  If they find
> a qualified candidate or candidate(s), they may not even have to post the
> postion.  By posting a profile online and the recruiter contacting you in
> this manner, this also gives you a leg up ahead of the rest of the pack.
>
> Also by only using Word of Mouth you are subject to that person's point of
> reference, what they are hearing but more importantly timing, which may a
> day or more after the job has already been listed.  By then you
> are contacting the recruiter or employer after a number of other candidates
> and in some cases, may never receive a call back, even if you are qualified,
> because the recruiter or employer will only review so many resumes and/or
> submit so many candidates at a time.  This is also true for any jobs or
> opportunities which might be posted here on this group - the ones I post, I
> received usually a day or two beforehand and since I'm now working again,
> will forward them over to this group.
>
> I'm not knocking word of mouth referrals and think that is an essential
> part of any job or contract search, but I have found referrals to cause me
> to be behind the curve on getting my resume to the end employer (using
> another adage ' the early bird gets the worm') and would never rely on just
> using Word of Mouth.
>
> The same is true by manually checking job sites instead of using job
> alerts.  Depending on what time you usually start your manual search, you
> can be several hours late and with the millions of IT workers looking,
> again, you are going to have to stand in line.  It doesn't take long to get
> a resume set up online and then set up a job alert that will usually notify
> you of qualified positions between 12a-6a, depending on where you live.
>
> BTW, I agree with your change of pace or enjoying some down time (or even
> pursuing some much delayed professional training for that matter) and that
> is included in my own published Job search list that I'll provide if you
> care to see it.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Ken
> [email protected]
>
>
> From: mwlblues <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:22 AM
>
> Subject: [EDI-L] Re: <SALES> Freelance EDI Consultant Available
>
>
> Thank you to everyone who have so generously shared their experiences and
> expertise. I will certainly give LinkedIn a closer look.
> Monster/Dice/CareerBuilder are undeniably good spots to find work - I
> usually prefer to respond to what's there vs uploading a resume - again in
> that preference I'm probably not making the right choice but I do have a bit
> more control over the degree of information and queries that need to be
> responded to. No risk of information overload, and needing to build up your
> "Sorry, I'm booked" muscles are not an issue either when the work is already
> there
>
> The good news in doing things the 'old-school' way, (word of mouth
> referrals to fill your schedule) is that after working 40 - 60 hrs a week
> for a while now by this method, when a down-day comes along on a Monday or a
> Tuesday I have to just relax and take the time to rest & recharge. The
> heat-wave has broken, and what better time time build that 10x12 equipment
> shed that I've been needing?
> A break in the pace is not necessarily a bad thing, in this case anyway
>
> Great group here!
> Matt Longfield
>
> --- In [email protected], Ken Etter <edispec@...> wrote:
> >
> > Now here's a topic that's near and dear to my heart having gone through a
> number of jobs over the last 12 or so years, that ended for virtually every
> reason in the book; RIF, dept consolidation in another state, position
> outsourced, worked myself out of a job and the company eliminated the
> position after determining other staff could take care of the system now
> that it runs so well, etc., etc., etc.
> > Â
> > I would think a successful key to any business or consultancy is
> networking and just not visiting your local Chamber of Commerce or Rotary
> meeting.  And what better way to network than on Linkedin (not familiar
> with Farmtown).  I would have to say if you're not on LinkedIn as an IT
> professional looking for new work, you're missing a key element to any
> marketing plan for a consultant.  You can even set up job alerts to get
> qualified listings sent directly to your inbox, just like with regular job
> sites.  Also there are a number of EDI and consulting related groups on
> LinkedIn which have job and contract postings virtually every day, that if
> you monitor those groups (receive emails alerts of new postings), you add
> even more potential to finding a new contract or job.
> > Â
> > As to the regular job sites, especially Dice.com which is almost purely
> IT focused, would almost be a necessity to any successful search for a new
> job or contract.  Actually when I'm looking, I use Monster, Careerbuilder,
> Dice, the state and regional job sites besides LinkedIn and two more I'll
> mention the following paragraph.  I guess my thinking is I can set up job
> alerts on all of them that work for free in most, if not all, cases, so why
> not?  It beats having to pay for advertising and you get your name out in
> front of numerous recruiters.  And if you are open to doing remote work,
> you get nationwide exposure - try researching the cost of advertising on a
> nationwide level and I think you start to get an idea.
> > Â
> > Also have you considered checking Sologig.com and 
> > guru.com?Â<http://guru.com/?%C3%82> Â
> A bit more competitive since there are a lot of overseas users who work for
> very low billing rates, but some companies want someone they can invite
> onsite every now and then.
> > Â
> > The old dog, new tricks adage you mentioned may have already kept you
> from finding your next gig, so I'd recommend you consider checking into
> LinkedIn sooner than later.   Because your competition already is...
> > Â
> > Ken
> > edispec@...
> >
> > From: mwlblues <mwlblues@...>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:27 PM
> > Subject: [EDI-L] Re: <SALES> Freelance EDI Consultant Available
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Thanks Dave and Craig for the nice advice.
> > I have a LinkedIn account, and occasionally accept contacts and such, but
> I have to admit that social-media isn't a tool that I use too often.
> Old-dog-new-tricks I suppose. I've sworn off Farmtown and Facebook as the
> greatest time-suck apps of all time, even surpassing solitare (windows or
> linux versions). I suppose someday I'll need to embrace it, at least
> LinkedIn anyway.
> >
> > Sigh...the good ol' days.
> > At least it's Friday. Whooooo hoooooo!
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Dave Records <dave@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Craig, agree wholeheartedly! I'm on LinkedIn and Dice and I receive an
> average of 3 to 4 calls and emails a month for opportunities.
> > >
> > > Dave Records
> > > Records Consulting, LLC
> > > Email: dave@
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 12, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Craig Dunham wrote:
> > >
> > > > Matt,
> > > >
> > > > I applaud your posting here and offering your services. There are a
> few of
> > > > us out here - EDI consultants, developers, etc. - and we all are
> always
> > > > looking for new gigs.
> > > >
> > > > May I also suggest that you search on the major job sites (Monster,
> Dice,
> > > > CareerBuilder, etc.) for jobs...? I don't know how long you've been a
> > > > member of EDI-L, but there are often postings on here for jobs
> needing to be
> > > > filled, many by recruiters and also by members who may be contacted
> by
> > > > recruiters and are passing the information on.
> > > >
> > > > Also, be sure to check out LinkedIn and many of the groups on there.
> There
> > > > are many times when recruiters are posting jobs to those groups...
> > > >
> > > > Good luck in finding new clients and positions to take on.
> > > >
> > > > Craig Dunham
> > > > Bear Necessities Computing
> > > > EDI Sherpa
> > > > Author/blogger
> > > > RetailEDI.com
> > > > EDITalk.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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