In sci.stat.edu Eric Zivot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In the finance literature, it is common to do pca in a situation in which
: there are more variables than observation (e.g returns on 1000 assets and
: 500 observations). 
This says alot about the finance literature

In this case, one uses what has been called "asymptotic
: principal component analysis". In stead of eigenvalue analysis on the
: non-invertible N x N covariance RR' (R is N x T, N >> T), do eigen value
: analysis on the smaller T x T matrix R'R. 

There is nothing asymptotic about it;  it is simple mathematics

(A'A)x = kx  (x an eigen vector, k the value)

(AA')(Ax) = k(Ax)

the eigenvalues are the same and you solve for the original vectors.
so what?  it's still dumb to do anything with more variables than 
observations

I describe this case in my recent
: book Modeling Financial Time Series. The standard reference in finance is
: Chamberlain and Rothschild (1983) "Arbitrage, Factor Structure and
: Mean-Variance Analysis in Large Asset Markets", Econometrica, 51.

: "Ronald Bloom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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:> In sci.stat.consult Paige Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> > Ronald Bloom wrote:
:> >> Suppose I have more observations than I have variables.
:> >> E.g. Say 51 variables and 30 observations apiece.
:> >>
:> >> The data matrix is shall we say "wide" (columns correspond
:> >> to variables).
:> >>
:> >> The resulting sample covariance matrix on the covariance among
:> >> variables is necessarily rank deficient.
:> >>
:> >> Is there anything useful I can learn nevertheless from
:> >> that matrix?
:> >>
:> >> E.g.:
:> >> Is there anything to be garnered from a principle components
:> >> decomposition of this covariance matrix in this circumstance?
:>
:> > Yes. Go for it.
:>
:>
:> So let's say I have 51 variables.  I collect them 30 days at a time.
:>
:> Every time I collect a new set of observations I want to assess
:> its "surprise value", in respect of the recent past.
:>
:> So I have a monthly covariance matrix of rank 30.  There should be
:> 30 non-zero eigenvalues.  If I get one more observation (of 51 items)
:> can I map it into the reduced dimension subspace of size 30,
:> and evaluate it for "extremity" using a multivariate prediction
:> "region" using the 30x30 diagonal matrix of eigenvalues in
:> the standard "hotelling form" on the reduced space?
:>
:> I'm just trying to translate theory into something I can
:> actually practise.
:>
:> -Ron
:>
:> > --
:> > Paige Miller
:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:> > http://www.kodak.com
:>
:> > "It's nothing until I call it!" -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
:> > "When you get the choice to sit it out or dance, I hope you dance" --
:> > Lee Ann Womack
:>


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