In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
dennis roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At 08:19 PM 2/11/2003, Herman Rubin wrote:

>>However, I believe that interaction between students
>>of comparable ability can help in the learning process.
>>But not if the abilities differ widely.
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>for better or worse ... school systems have more or less abandoned ability 
>grouping long ago ... some of it is federally mandated

And this is why we must have affordable schools not government
controlled.  About 70 years ago, the "progressive educators"
imposed this, and education went downhill fast, and will need
decades to recover.

>BUT, do you really think that having a group of low ability students ... 
>ie, say those really struggling in math ... are going to be able to help 
>each other with their math work? i don't think so

The interaction need not be in the direction of helping, but
in discussion of the concepts.  At this time, not only are
concepts not taught, but the teachers cannot understand them.

>apply this to the basic intro stat course at a place like ... er hm ... 
>purdue ... if you had a pretest ... then isolated the low 10% (the ones who 
>for SURE hate math and statistics) ... not only with this NOT be of benefit 
>but, it will hurt their chances of making any progress in this course

What "basic intro stat course"?  The people at Purdue are
quite aware that I consider the present low-level courses to
do far more harm than good.  I do not think that anyone can
understand statistical concepts starting with manipulation
and methods, except some of those with research ability.

>i think your argument has merit at the top end ... but, from there down i 
>have serious doubts 

One of the things discouraged by the educationists is that
of asking "stupid" questions.  Students of comparable ability
will have comparable questions.  Also, they can be taught at
comparable rates.
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Deptartment of Statistics, Purdue University
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