My point is: If there are different sites (like wikimini and vikidia) that expressly target different audiences, that's not necessarily a sign of incompatibility. I think it should be okay to have more than one article on a given topic, in any wiki for kids, if the different articles have significantly different language levels.
(There might be only a short set of ~1000 articles in an encyclopedia for 3-6 year olds -- but certainly those articles would be different than those written for 8-18 year olds!) SJ On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Mathias Damour <mathias.dam...@laposte.net> wrote: > Le 23/04/2013 04:30, Samuel Klein a écrit : > >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Mathias Damour >> <mathias.dam...@laposte.net> wrote: >> >>> Your proposal on this 2010 discussion, ( >>> http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Wikimini_et_Vikidia ) to which I >>> anserwed >>> by the one you mention, was that Vikida would switch its reader target to >>> 13 >>> to 18 years old people, and cohabit in this manner with Wikimini which >>> would >>> be for 8-13 years old children. >>> >>> One of my arguments against that was that I disagree with the assumption >>> that this proposal held, which is that children schould write for >>> children, >>> and teenagers for teenagers. >> >> I think "children" and "teenagers" are different audiences. > > > They are, still every single child may be a different audience... > > >> Authors of any age can write for those two audiences. >> >> I could imagine having up to three versions of articles about any >> topic: with complexity suitable for audiences of ages "6-12", "13-19", >> "any". > > > One may think about it. > However, I think in regards to legibility and having a clear and mobilizing > goal, it may not be productive. > There is no working wikikids in some major languages. When they do exist, > say in french, whereas some primary schools websites link Vikidia, many > still rather link Wikipedia, which means it's hard to gather an audience > even if we think we have the content that fits to it. > > Someone that is quite involved in the education innovation debate in France > now use to tell about how he figure a resource that would be adapted to each > individual. I didn't get easily what he means, may-be a Facebook-like system > that would suggest you content that fits to your level of knowledge > (automaticaly or by peer suggestion ?) It may be related to the concept of > "zone of proximal development" (see on WP if you need ;-)). > We had a talk and I guess the idea was to integrate Vikidia into this. > However, I don't get it. Be it an automatic system that use Vikidia's > content among others, that's fine. But when it comes to produce content, we > have to worry about our own consistency first, in order to allow the users > to work in good conditions. > I personally believe that two new levels (young children and teenagers) of > encyclopedic content would be quite challenging and maybe too ambitious. > Moreover, a system with multiple levels of content or workspaces (for > schools, adults...) wouldn't make it, if not in a completely new way on > which I have no idea neither guarantees it would succeed. > > >>> In the same way, Wikipedia is roughly written by students/academics for >>> high-school pupils, there is a kind of interval between the average >>> editor >>> and average reader. >> >> That's unclear - sometimes there are both short and long versions of >> WP articles. >> The language for specialized topics is often much more advanced than >> suitable for high-school students. > > > Sure, it is certainly the same on wikis for children regarding short or long > articles or their level. Out of this I would make the argument that it seem > quite vain to be willing to address every precise age ranges. > What if a 15 years old has not his dedicated wiki encyclopedia, between a > Wikikids and Wikipedia ? > Well at the moment, a 10 years old German, or English speaking child that > look for information is mostly led to Wikipedia, which can be considered as > a more acute issue. > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids > > > -- > Mathias Damour > 49 rue Carnot > F-74000 Annecy > 00 33 (0)4 57 09 10 56 > 00 33 (0)6 27 13 65 51 > mathias.dam...@laposte.net > http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Astirmays > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > Education@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
