Oh it's the Smiths again! His call is N6MQL, Michael Aretsky. Please identify yourself with your callsign or at least your real name.
N4LQ Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Smiths" <notforc...@hotmail.com> To: <li...@subich.com> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port > > "The audio is coming through the USB audio input. Not through an open mic > on the computer," > > That's right Joe, Once again you mis quote me. But then again, you have to > in order to make your point. Maybe your computer doesn't have a USB > input, but mine does. Perhaps you don't use a K3USB adapter cable, but I > have. Your insults and personal attacts do nothing for you on the > reflector. Why don't you keep that kind of thing off the reflector where > it belongs. > > T. Smith > Short Wave Listener. > > > >> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:15:16 -0500 >> From: li...@subich.com >> To: notforc...@hotmail.com >> CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >> >> >> > The audio is coming through the USB audio input. >> >> Now you're changing the story. In the previous e-mail you >> said "RS-232" input - now you say USB. >> >> Since the K3 has *NO* USB input or output, you obviously >> have something connected to the Line Out/Line In. In any >> case, you've proven how incredibly unreliable you are - >> and you still don't bother to sign your e-mail with a >> NAME AND CALLSIGN as required by the list policies. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 11/19/2010 2:27 PM, The Smiths wrote: >> > >> > No, that's not the case, but thanks for a good guess none the less. The >> > audio is coming through the USB audio input. Not through an open mic on >> > the computer, which doesn't exist. Furthermore I don't even need to >> > have the volume up on the K3 to see the audio on the scope, and there >> > is NO analog connections to the computer. However, I dont see Post >> > audio effects going on. In otherwords, I can only see pre-Notch etc >> > settings... Guess it's just a voodo rig... >> > >> > T Smith >> > SWL >> > >> > >> >> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:41:31 -0500 >> >> From: li...@subich.com >> >> To: notforc...@hotmail.com >> >> CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> I'm sorry, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've already hooked up my K3 >> >>>> using a serial to USB converter cable, and then turned on >> >>>> Spectrogram and found that the audio IS already there. Do I have a >> >>>> voodoo K3, or is someone else mistaken that this feature already >> >>>> exists? >> >> >> >> No, you probably don't realize that Spectrogram uses the default >> >> audio input device and that Windows systems commonly default to the >> >> computer's built-in microphone. You are probably getting nothing more >> >> than "acoustic coupling" between the K3 speaker and the computer's >> >> mic. This assumes that you have not intentionally configured the >> >> K3 and computer to use a cable between the K3 Line Out jack and the >> >> computer's Line In jack and made that the default. >> >> >> >> There is no audio connection to the K3 RS-232 port ... read the >> >> schematics! >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/19/2010 12:32 AM, The Smiths wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I'm sorry, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've already hooked up my K3 >> >>> using a serial to USB converter cable, and then turned on Spectrogram >> >>> and found that the audio IS already there. Do I have a voodoo K3, or >> >>> is someone else mistaken that this feature already exists? >> >>> >> >>> T Smith >> >>> SWL >> >>> >> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:20:33 -0500 >> >>>> From: li...@subich.com >> >>>> To: k2qi....@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Moving from RS-232 to USB for commands (CAT) is trivial - replace >> >>>> the DB9 with one of the FTDI devices that is a USB to RS-232 >> >>>> converter built into the DB9 socket. However, that does not get >> >>>> you audio ... >> >>>> >> >>>> To do audio, you would need not only the USB converter but a hub >> >>>> and USB Audio CODEC (e.g. PCM8902 or similar). Then Elecraft >> >>>> would need to build controls for the USB CODEC (ADC/DAC) and do >> >>>> all the other software support - further burdening the K3 CPU. >> >>>> >> >>>> After all that, all you've done is move the USB soundcard, USB >> >>>> to serial converter and USB hub into the K3 and added a whole new >> >>>> level so support burden - providing operating system specific >> >>>> drivers for each version of Windows (along with the cost of >> >>>> signing drivers with Microsoft), specific drivers for each version >> >>>> of OS-X, and specific drivers for each unique version of LINUX. >> >>>> By the way ... depending on the USB Audio chip set (ADC/DAC) and >> >>>> USB hub, you might find yourself needing specific drivers for each >> >>>> chip (Audio, hub, control) *and* EEPROM to customize, control and >> >>>> serialize each of those chip! >> >>>> >> >>>> After all of that you have not provided any new capability for >> >>>> the K3. Other than adding at least $100 per unit in hardware, >> >>>> development, and ongoing support costs the only thing this exercise >> >>>> will accomplish is to relieve a relatively small number of users >> >>>> of the need to purchase a KUSB and allow them to keep their sound- >> >>>> card free for iTUNES. For all the rest, you have increased the >> >>>> cost of the K3, added an entirely new level of complexity to the >> >>>> rig, and perhaps required that the user purchase new hardware to >> >>>> use their rig with computer control. >> >>>> >> >>>> 73, >> >>>> >> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >> >>>> >> >>>> On 11/18/2010 7:31 PM, James Sarte (K2QI) wrote: >> >>>>> Hello group, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I know Wayne has mentioned several times in the past that they had >> >>>>> considered all possibilities when it comes to PC interfaces for the >> >>>>> K3, >> >>>>> including USB. In fact, he says the following on 16 June, 2009: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "The KIO3's digital I/O module could be replaced with one that has >> >>>>> USB >> >>>>> rather than RS232 -- or better yet, both. We planned for this. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The reason we went with RS232 initially is that many hams are still >> >>>>> using PCs that have only RS232 ports. Those who prefer to use USB >> >>>>> can >> >>>>> use an inexpensive USB-to-RS232 adapter. There is no difference in >> >>>>> I/O >> >>>>> performance between the two methods. " >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Just wanted to revisit this topic and find out if anyone has heard >> >>>>> anything >> >>>>> more regarding a possible USB interface for the K3. I know it's not >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> everyone, but for myself and perhaps others out there, the ability >> >>>>> to carry >> >>>>> all data, including audio on a single cable would be convenient. >> >>>>> Right now, >> >>>>> I'm using a Keyspan USB to RS232 adapter for data, along with two >> >>>>> separate >> >>>>> stereo cables for audio. I don't have any real complaints with that >> >>>>> setup, >> >>>>> but could be problematic when transferring the rig around from >> >>>>> computer to >> >>>>> computer. >> >>>>> >> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >> >>>> Elecraft mailing list >> >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >>>> >> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >>> >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
