Amen..... Jim K4JAF
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ellington" <n...@carolina.rr.com> To: "The Smiths" <notforc...@hotmail.com>; <li...@subich.com> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port > Oh it's the Smiths again! > > His call is N6MQL, Michael Aretsky. > Please identify yourself with your callsign or at least your real name. > > N4LQ > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Smiths" <notforc...@hotmail.com> > To: <li...@subich.com> > Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port > > >> >> "The audio is coming through the USB audio input. Not through an open mic >> on the computer," >> >> That's right Joe, Once again you mis quote me. But then again, you have >> to >> in order to make your point. Maybe your computer doesn't have a USB >> input, but mine does. Perhaps you don't use a K3USB adapter cable, but I >> have. Your insults and personal attacts do nothing for you on the >> reflector. Why don't you keep that kind of thing off the reflector where >> it belongs. >> >> T. Smith >> Short Wave Listener. >> >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:15:16 -0500 >>> From: li...@subich.com >>> To: notforc...@hotmail.com >>> CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >>> >>> >>> > The audio is coming through the USB audio input. >>> >>> Now you're changing the story. In the previous e-mail you >>> said "RS-232" input - now you say USB. >>> >>> Since the K3 has *NO* USB input or output, you obviously >>> have something connected to the Line Out/Line In. In any >>> case, you've proven how incredibly unreliable you are - >>> and you still don't bother to sign your e-mail with a >>> NAME AND CALLSIGN as required by the list policies. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 11/19/2010 2:27 PM, The Smiths wrote: >>> > >>> > No, that's not the case, but thanks for a good guess none the less. >>> > The >>> > audio is coming through the USB audio input. Not through an open mic >>> > on >>> > the computer, which doesn't exist. Furthermore I don't even need to >>> > have the volume up on the K3 to see the audio on the scope, and there >>> > is NO analog connections to the computer. However, I dont see Post >>> > audio effects going on. In otherwords, I can only see pre-Notch etc >>> > settings... Guess it's just a voodo rig... >>> > >>> > T Smith >>> > SWL >>> > >>> > >>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:41:31 -0500 >>> >> From: li...@subich.com >>> >> To: notforc...@hotmail.com >>> >> CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> I'm sorry, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've already hooked up my K3 >>> >>>> using a serial to USB converter cable, and then turned on >>> >>>> Spectrogram and found that the audio IS already there. Do I have a >>> >>>> voodoo K3, or is someone else mistaken that this feature already >>> >>>> exists? >>> >> >>> >> No, you probably don't realize that Spectrogram uses the default >>> >> audio input device and that Windows systems commonly default to the >>> >> computer's built-in microphone. You are probably getting nothing more >>> >> than "acoustic coupling" between the K3 speaker and the computer's >>> >> mic. This assumes that you have not intentionally configured the >>> >> K3 and computer to use a cable between the K3 Line Out jack and the >>> >> computer's Line In jack and made that the default. >>> >> >>> >> There is no audio connection to the K3 RS-232 port ... read the >>> >> schematics! >>> >> >>> >> 73, >>> >> >>> >> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 11/19/2010 12:32 AM, The Smiths wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sorry, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've already hooked up my K3 >>> >>> using a serial to USB converter cable, and then turned on >>> >>> Spectrogram >>> >>> and found that the audio IS already there. Do I have a voodoo K3, or >>> >>> is someone else mistaken that this feature already exists? >>> >>> >>> >>> T Smith >>> >>> SWL >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:20:33 -0500 >>> >>>> From: li...@subich.com >>> >>>> To: k2qi....@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: USB port >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Moving from RS-232 to USB for commands (CAT) is trivial - replace >>> >>>> the DB9 with one of the FTDI devices that is a USB to RS-232 >>> >>>> converter built into the DB9 socket. However, that does not get >>> >>>> you audio ... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> To do audio, you would need not only the USB converter but a hub >>> >>>> and USB Audio CODEC (e.g. PCM8902 or similar). Then Elecraft >>> >>>> would need to build controls for the USB CODEC (ADC/DAC) and do >>> >>>> all the other software support - further burdening the K3 CPU. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> After all that, all you've done is move the USB soundcard, USB >>> >>>> to serial converter and USB hub into the K3 and added a whole new >>> >>>> level so support burden - providing operating system specific >>> >>>> drivers for each version of Windows (along with the cost of >>> >>>> signing drivers with Microsoft), specific drivers for each version >>> >>>> of OS-X, and specific drivers for each unique version of LINUX. >>> >>>> By the way ... depending on the USB Audio chip set (ADC/DAC) and >>> >>>> USB hub, you might find yourself needing specific drivers for each >>> >>>> chip (Audio, hub, control) *and* EEPROM to customize, control and >>> >>>> serialize each of those chip! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> After all of that you have not provided any new capability for >>> >>>> the K3. Other than adding at least $100 per unit in hardware, >>> >>>> development, and ongoing support costs the only thing this exercise >>> >>>> will accomplish is to relieve a relatively small number of users >>> >>>> of the need to purchase a KUSB and allow them to keep their sound- >>> >>>> card free for iTUNES. For all the rest, you have increased the >>> >>>> cost of the K3, added an entirely new level of complexity to the >>> >>>> rig, and perhaps required that the user purchase new hardware to >>> >>>> use their rig with computer control. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 73, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 11/18/2010 7:31 PM, James Sarte (K2QI) wrote: >>> >>>>> Hello group, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I know Wayne has mentioned several times in the past that they had >>> >>>>> considered all possibilities when it comes to PC interfaces for >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> K3, >>> >>>>> including USB. In fact, he says the following on 16 June, 2009: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> "The KIO3's digital I/O module could be replaced with one that has >>> >>>>> USB >>> >>>>> rather than RS232 -- or better yet, both. We planned for this. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> The reason we went with RS232 initially is that many hams are >>> >>>>> still >>> >>>>> using PCs that have only RS232 ports. Those who prefer to use USB >>> >>>>> can >>> >>>>> use an inexpensive USB-to-RS232 adapter. There is no difference in >>> >>>>> I/O >>> >>>>> performance between the two methods. " >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Just wanted to revisit this topic and find out if anyone has heard >>> >>>>> anything >>> >>>>> more regarding a possible USB interface for the K3. I know it's >>> >>>>> not >>> >>>>> for >>> >>>>> everyone, but for myself and perhaps others out there, the ability >>> >>>>> to carry >>> >>>>> all data, including audio on a single cable would be convenient. >>> >>>>> Right now, >>> >>>>> I'm using a Keyspan USB to RS232 adapter for data, along with two >>> >>>>> separate >>> >>>>> stereo cables for audio. I don't have any real complaints with >>> >>>>> that >>> >>>>> setup, >>> >>>>> but could be problematic when transferring the rig around from >>> >>>>> computer to >>> >>>>> computer. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>> >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> > >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
