Lu,

I sincerely hope you don't get any offers...this from the receiving
end...:-)

I must add that some of the worse audio we hear in VK is poorly adjusted
W1HY audio processed signals...aaagh!...some are so bad a lot of us simply
QSY and pretend we didn't hear the call....:-)

73's
Gary

On 23 April 2011 04:38, Lu Romero <lrom...@ij.net> wrote:

> This is a subject close to my heart...
>
> I have a lot of tools at my disposal to "mangle" audio both
> here at work and also at home.  Soundtrack Pro is one of my
> favorite weapons of mass destruction, and I have lots of
> plug ins to modify stuff with.
>
> Also, I have a lot of hardware
> compressor/limiter/preamp/leveler/phase rotator/exciters too
> to create audio mayhem with.
>
> Having said all that, I will tell you what I do for
> recording audio... I simply record my mic (almost
> exclusively the Yamaha CM500'ds electret capsule) completely
> flat through my MicroHam MicroKeyer 2's sound card into the
> N1MM computer DVK via the MicroHam record facility.  Then, I
> apply all compression, equalization and gating within the K3
> using its built in processing tools.
>
> That's it.  Nothing else.  Nada.  Bupkis.
>
> Some of you have heard me on the air.  I believe my "canned"
> sound is identical (discounting voice box fatigue) to my
> recorded sound.  I cannot tell them apart off air.
>
> It has taken me a little while to get used to the tools
> available in K3 to have what I consider competitive contest
> audio punch.  The "digitalness" of the radio is very
> different from my venerable TS850S that, with lots of
> outboard junk, provided me with 11 years worth of crackly
> punch that sliced and diced through piles like the Ginsu
> knife it was.  You just have to keep in mind the "Spinal
> Tap" rule and not get carried away.  A little goes a long
> way.  Mic technique and placement is important.
> Equalization is important.  Room acoustics is important.
> Voice technique is important.
>
> One thing I would love to have in the K3 audio chain is a
> fast attack medium decay "AGC/Leveler" of some sort, pre-RF
> compression/clipper, post gate.  This would make the rig
> perfect from the audio perspective and with careful,
> judicious use, would help those with "thin" voices or poor
> mic placement, however, you could get into serious trouble
> if too much AGC was applied in a noisy environment, so maybe
> we should leave well enough alone...
>
> Never forget that we are transmitting into an extremely
> noisy medium where transmitted audio dynamic range and
> wideband frequency response is your enemy.  If this was
> broadcast FM or TV, our priorities would be very different.
> But its not, its "communications" audio.  The point is to be
> clearly understood and get the message through, not to sound
> like Orson Wells or Ernie Anastos.
>
> I dont know about time processing either.  KT0NY mentions he
> time compressed his clips from 3 seconds to 2.6 seconds.  4
> tenths of a second total shortening.  Does that really buy
> you a lot?  Yes, I can do the math, but does it REALLY buy
> you *THAT* much to risk inteligibility?
>
> Im in K9YC and W3FPR's corner on this discussion.  And if
> anybody wants to make me a good offer on 6 rack units of
> Behringer, Symetrix, Aphex and London processing gear that
> the K3's processor/gate has obsoleted, let me know.
>
> -Lu-W4LT-
> K3 # 3192
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:39:04 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3...@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] optimizing recorded audio
> To: Tony Estep <estept...@gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4db19308.7010...@embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>  When doing audio processing, always keep a copy of the
> original file
> until you are done.
> Each step in the process does create some loss of quality.
> That means,
> the more you mess with it, there is potential for the result
> to end up
> bad.  Keep notes on what is being done - how much leveling,
> how much
> tempo change, etc.  Then after your experimentation is
> complete, start
> again with the original file and apply the full changes -
> the result
> will be better than the result obtained by incremental
> changes during
> your experimentation.
>
> I would also recommend using only the K3 to apply
> compression.  You
> already have compression applied to the mic input, and that
> same
> compression will be added to the computer audio stream.  In
> general,
> compressing an already compressed file will produce bad
> results.
>
> I have done only a moderate amount of audio editing work, so
> I consider
> the words of those experts (like Jim Brown) who have done a
> lot of it as
> sage guidance for me.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
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