I have no 'quarrel' in this, but if you post your question on  
towert...@contesting.com  you will find many qualified to answer your antenna 
question there.

Good luck and 73,

Tom - W4BQF

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> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On
> Behalf Of W4SK
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:06 AM
> To: Dyarnes; elecraft yahoo groups
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
> 
> I would have bought a hat, but could not decide if I wanted elevated radials
> on it.
> ________________________________
> John T. Gwin
> jtg...@comcast.net
> judgejohng...@wilsoncountytn.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dyarnes" <w7...@cox.net>
> To: "elecraft yahoo groups" <elecraft...@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
> 
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’ve never been particularly interested in paying for the “privilege” of
> > advertising someone’s commercial product.  It’s one thing to buy your
> > shirt, hat, or whatever, with a club logo or name when it’s a
> > non-commercial entity.  However, there is something dissatisfying in
> > functioning as a “billboard” and paying to do it.  Yaesu, and some others,
> > pass out stuff like this for free at Dayton.  There’s a reason they do
> > that.  It gets their name out there—en masse—and they have obviously
> > concluded that the expense is justified.  Perhaps they view it more as
> > “customer relations”, but I doubt it.  There is “method to their madness”.
> > Most of the time these items are purchased in bulk, and at very nominal
> > cost.
> >
> > Sports figures wear logo apparel but they don’t pay to do it—they get
> > paid!  And a bunch of those folks are people you’ve never heard of, or may
> > never hear about!  Not that we deserve to get paid, but I don’t think we
> > should have to “contribute” to their advertising budget either.  There is
> > great value (apparently) in just getting your name out there, and you
> > might be surprised how much some companies will pay just to influence a
> > single potential customer.
> >
> > What really gets me is when we are expected to pay “top dollar” for
> > something with a company logo on it.  Not only are they using us as a
> > billboard, but they are also making a profit center for themselves out of
> > the process.  Crazy!
> >
> > Yeah, I know, it is gratifying to many to have somebody’s logo on their
> > hat, shirt, or whatever.  If that really appeals to you then I have no
> > argument against it.  Besides, maybe you just need a hat or shirt, and
> > this is a convenient way to get one.  It just doesn’t appeal to me.
> > Actually, every so often (but not very often) I see something like that
> > which really looks “cool” and seems particularly attractive.  But it’s
> > usually not the logo, it’s the style or unique nature of it that is
> > attractive.
> >
> > I’m not much of a “fashion plate” when it comes to hats anyway.  I usually
> > wear a somewhat goofy looking terrycloth bucket hat, mainly because it is
> > imminently more practical (I can wet it down if it’s hot—like on the golf
> > course, and it shades my face better).  I do have a rather cool looking
> > baseball cap which has Begali’s logo on it.  It’s good looking (I think),
> > and unique.  I greatly admire Begali products, so I’m happy to wear it and
> > be a “billboard” for him.  The clincher, though, is that Piero gave it to
> > me, I didn’t have to buy it!  I also greatly admire Elecraft products—I
> > certainly have enough of them!  However, I don’t feel inclined to pay to
> > advertise for them.  But, maybe they will come up with something that is
> > so good looking I would be inclined to do so.  That would be different!
> >
> > Obviously there are many out there who won’t agree with what I have said.
> > There seems to be something of a “frenzy” going on about having an
> > Elecraft hat.  Nevertheless, several have expressed disappointment that
> > they weren’t free.  So, I guess I might have at least a few folks who
> > sympathize with my view.
> >
> > Dave W7AQK
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Goldtr8 (KD8NNU)
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:36 AM
> > To: elecraft yahoo groups
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft_K3] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hats at Dayton?
> >
> >
> > I did purchase a hat at Dayton yesterday.
> >
> > Maybe we can convince Elecraft to work with one of those suppliers who do
> > hats and allow us order direct and then we could get our Call Sign added
> > at
> > the time of purchase.
> >
> > I know this can be done. Then Elecraft does not have to bother directly
> > with the hat guys.
> >
> > If you take it to the full extreme we could maybe have hats and shirts and
> > look cool at field days, club events and ham shows. Not sure about tattoos
> > :-)
> >
> > Elecraft would have to do something to make this happen as they are the
> > owners of the trademark.
> >
> > ~73
> > Don
> > KD8NNU
> >
> >
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