I'm with you, Ron. I've put up pretty effective invisible wires everywhere I've 
lived, one way or the other, without retribution. If anyone needs help with 
this within driving distance to Belmont, CA, I'm your guy. I'll do it for the 
fun of it, and maybe a glass of wine afterward.

Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 22, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <r...@cobi.biz> wrote:

> Over the years I've done a fair bit of operating from inside apartments. My
> tactic was to get as much wire up as high as possible while still being
> unobtrusive. I was running 10 watts or less, CW.  
> 
> In one location I had a tree about 20 feet away from a window at my
> operating desk. I slipped a fine wire out of the window (so I could still
> close it) and hooked it to some fishing line leader which I then tossed into
> the tree, succeeding in getting it about 20 feet above the ground. It was
> not visible and survived some surprising winds. Worked it against a
> counterpoise made from fine white wire held along the (apartment white) wall
> with pushpins. 
> 
> Where I had a 2nd (top) floor unit, I had good success with a thin white
> wire 'doublet' tacked onto the wall near the ceiling with the two halves
> running as nearly in opposite directions as possible I was able to get about
> 50 feet of wire up that way and made a lot of contacts including some DX. Of
> course being indoors brings you closer to all sources of noise and,
> depending upon the construction of the building a certain amount of
> "shielding". 
> 
> One apartment building had a flat roof. The manager okayed me installing a
> simple antenna on the roof. It never hurts to ask. In another top floor
> location I discovered I had an attic access door in one closet, so I
> installed a "doublet" in the attic just under the roof rafters. Got a full
> half wave on 40 in that space with a bend in each half. The "feeder" was
> open wire - thin white wires that passed through two tiny holes in the
> ceiling next to the wall at my operating position and down to the rig. It
> worked beautifully on 40 through 10 meters. On that one when I moved I never
> got into the attic space to remove the antenna, insulators, etc. I just cut
> the feeder at the ceiling and filled the tiny holes. Eventually someone
> needing to do work in the attic probably scratched their head wondering what
> that was - unless they were a Ham. 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert
> 'RC' Conley
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16 AM
> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] (OT redoux) MAG LOOP ANTENNAS
> 
> Guys;
> I'm anticipating a move to a seniors villa and I know I will be unable to to
> take my antenna farm and most of the ham shack. I've decided on my KX2 with
> ATU (grab-n go). A MAG LOOP should allow indoor operations at QRP power
> levels.Thanks for your thoughts.
> 73
> KC5WA
> 
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