In the process of listening to the receiver I would not want that overlaid with 
voice responses from a UI dialog. Also, a voice response immediately goes away, 
just like a number temporarlily shown in the B display. On a more personal 
note, I also find all artificial voice applications enormously irritating. I 
refuse to speak to my car to ask it to do something, and refuse to use Alexa or 
Siri etc in a voice mode.
73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry leary <gerrylear...@icloud.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Erik Basilier <ebasil...@cox.net>
Cc: Richard Thorne <rtho...@rthorne.net>; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4?

Make the displays audio readouts instead, then you wouldn’t need so much room, 
nor would it take up as much battery life if it were powered by battery!

Sent from my iPhone this time 

On May 19, 2018, at 6:14 PM, Erik Basilier <ebasil...@cox.net> wrote:

I know that many people love controlling everything from a PC, but that is for 
me a don't-want, as I don't want the extra box to start up, and using a mouse 
and keyboard is much less convenient than knobs. Of course, using contesting 
software does involve the PC, but even in that situation I want my knobs. 
Controlling the rig from a PC repulses me even more so lately, since Microsoft 
is forcing software updates on us ever more frequently. Very disruptive. I do 
understand that increased vulnerabilities demand it, but then the 
vulnerabilities are caused by Microsoft itself, always adding functionality 
without concern for security (except for Microsoft job security). Some will say 
that Linux is the answer but I have been there, and I would prefer a special 
version of Windows that removes a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't need 
frequent updates. Has anyone investigated which ham software products work or 
don't work with Windows set to protected mode?

On the subject of panadapter features, I can see some utility in using a mouse, 
as pushing the P3 knob does indeed tend to move the whole box. However, unless 
there is software based automatic fine tuning, I find that mouse clicking on a 
signal usually requires fine adjustment with the tuning knob. The advantage of 
the mouse then is the ability to make large jumps without a lot of knob 
spinning. That need is sharply reduced by using the RIT knob as a coarse tuning 
knob. 

Perhaps the K4 packaging should place most of the P3 electronics as an optional 
plug-in board inside the radio, and place a slightly bigger display in a 
separate, P3-size box. The P3 controls would be on the radio. The existing 
controls for the second rx could be kept for those who can stomach them, but a 
new button on the radio would switch the P3 display to show all aspects of 
second rx settings, and allow adjustment. Another press of the new button, or a 
number of actions such as moving the main tuning knob, would go back to normal 
P3 display.

73,
Erik K7TV



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> On 
Behalf Of Richard Thorne
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 4:31 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4?

I was going to make the suggestion for a rig with out knobs.

All of my current equipment is rack mounted.  I operate with software and a 
mouse.  Keeps the desk uncluttered and the monitor below eye level.  The K3 
Remote could be used if one wanted knobs.

Rich - N5ZC


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