Pete, I am still planning on stopping by after work around 3:30 unless I can get out earlier.
I’m sure a second set of eyes will help. Dave Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2019, at 1:25 AM, Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net> wrote: > > My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of > those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success. > > With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A > mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY > through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio > issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe? > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcg...@blomand.net> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM > To: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> > Cc: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the > next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the > integration application. > > CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another > audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you >> do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. >> I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to >> the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run >> out of ideas at the moment. >> >> 73, >> Barry >> K3NDM >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM >> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >>> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio >>> in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying >>> files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >>> >>> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into >>> AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the >>> configurator. >>> >>> >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones >>> are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your >>> tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB >>> CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will >>> turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT >>> function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct >>> set up for the PTT, or not. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>> >>> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode >>>> selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode >>>> (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is >>>> working fine. >>>> >>>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW >>>> and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY >>>> (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will >>>> ever use that mode). >>>> >>>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went >>>> through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set >>>> correctly. >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the >>>> level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital >>>> mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA >>>> A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down >>>> the receive bandwidth. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio >>>> Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a >>>> simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed >>>> and a level of comfort is built. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, >>>> less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, >>>> just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I >>>> do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 >>>> for 5BDXCC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >>>>> definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. >>>>> Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had >>>>> some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back >>>>> then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this >>>>> is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. >>>>> Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page >>>>> so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! >>>>> >>>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the >>>>> sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I >>>>> have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you >>>>> are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use >>>>> FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for >>>>> contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. >>>>> With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s >>>>> making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting >>>>> your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the >>>>> com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the >>>>> radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you >>>>> tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is >>>>> turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and >>>>> off when you're finished sending. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you >>>>> need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they >>>>> must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am >>>>> correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, >>>>> MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more >>>>> straight forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >>>>> shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact >>>>> me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function >>>>> before about noon EDT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>>>> >>>>> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get >>>>>> it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in >>>>>> my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) >>>>>> understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way >>>>>> around it. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering >>>>>> came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked >>>>>> with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar >>>>>> using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall >>>>>> filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just >>>>>> puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s >>>>>> compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>>>>> nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost >>>>>> no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via >>>>>> WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t >>>>>> work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that >>>>>> hard to do….yet here we are! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - pjd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using >>>>>> RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK >>>>>> mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up >>>>>> should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's >>>>>> built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just >>>>>> because. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over >>>>>> running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as >>>>>> you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of >>>>>> some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It >>>>>> also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each >>>>>> tone. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. >>>>>> Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB >>>>>> connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. >>>>>> Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The >>>>>> radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at >>>>>> 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of >>>>>> the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 >>>>>> bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob >>>>>> that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. >>>>>> All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> Barry >>>>>> >>>>>> K3NDM >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>>> should set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>>> exclusively (I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with >>>>>>> N1MM). I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>>> had a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>>> I'll be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in >>>>>>> case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>>> RTTY, just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode >>>>>>> built into the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>>> using data >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have >>>>>>> the radio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find >>>>>>> the right >>>>>>> >>>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. 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