Wes: > I remember many years ago an expedition, (forgot who but their leader was the > banquet speaker at Visalia the one year I went, and he described this in his > talk) They were operating SSB on 14.195 and announcing listening 5 to 10 up. > But once in a while he would say, "Five to ten up...pause...and 14.190") Of > course everyone would immediately start calling up 5 to 10. I called on 14.190 > and worked him on one call.
I can imagine it would be different on RTTY, but our CW operation from Vanuatu from YJ0V/YJ0PD was quite instructive. One approach to decoding the signals, all almost on the same frequency, and peaking at S2, was to find the edge of the pile and listen to the one you could decode. Many of the callers were quite savvy and would then jump to that frequency, making that the new "center". And the process would repeat. The thing about the rhythm (I mean this is a little different way than you are using it here--I mean the timing) is that it is a very important principle to use if many stations are calling you. Most of the crowd will get the pattern and follow it. Without the pattern, things can quickly turn into pandemonium. With the pattern, stations that don't hear you very well can catch on and only transmit in the "window". There were always a few that wouldn't follow, but the significant majority would. So the DX station has a lot of influence on the discipline of the pile. DIfferent stations would follow it to different degrees. JA was relatively loud compared to US and EU, so if we were trying to dig a US station out, one simple call to "us only" would clear up a temporary lull. No JA station would call then--none. So then we would do that for one or two QSOs and then open it back up to all callers. There was one EU country that I won't name that refused to follow any of our directions. One first we did was to provide in near real-time (within a minute or two) an acknowledgement on our web site that we had worked you. Our club "Prairie DX" was the first to do this. VK0IR did something similar prior to that, but it was not near real time. We first did it in the Saint Pierre and Miquelon Dxpedeition. This saved the kind of heartache that was the case with 3Y0J where there were pirates and you didn't know if you worked them or not until they were done. And yes--you don't need a second receiver to work split. But it is fun to have a different antenna feeding into each ear, such as your transmitting antenna in one ear, and an RBOG in the other. Fascinating stereo effect. Sorry for this being quite off topic. While one of the radios we had was an FT 1000 MP Mark V, in retrospect it would have been nice to have several K3S. w8lvn On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 1:29 PM Wes <wes_n...@triconet.org> wrote: > I'm more-or-less with Andy on this one except I use the big brother TS-890 > and > don't need the external panadapter and I've never used CW Skimmer in my > life. I > will say that the best bandscope/panadapter I've ever used was an SDR-IQ, > running SpectraVue software on the i-f output of a K3 or K3S. > > In the TS-890, the RIT control can control the split TX frequency which is > displayed on the bandscope screen. I typically use it, without doing a > TF-Set > swap, to set my calling frequency. There is much more in working split > that > just hopping on the last callers QRG. More often than not, this is the > wrong > thing to do on CW. SSB is usually different because the DX announces > their > listening frequency, but you have to listen. Sometimes they spread the > pile by > saying up 5 to 15, but they only listen up 5. > > I remember many years ago an expedition, (forgot who but their leader was > the > banquet speaker at Visalia the one year I went, and he described this in > his > talk) They were operating SSB on 14.195 and announcing listening 5 to 10 > up. > But once in a while he would say, "Five to ten up...pause...and 14.190") > Of > course everyone would immediately start calling up 5 to 10. I called on > 14.190 > and worked him on one call. > > Sometimes the DX has a rhythm; they move up or down some Hz after each > call. > You need to figure this out. But sometimes they simply don't. I remember > calling my friend, Ned, AA7A, when he was operating RTTY from either or > both > VP8STI/VP8SGI. I called for about an hour while trying to figure out his > pattern. I finally figured out that he didn't have one. I picked a QRG > and > stuck with it until he found me. (I worked both stations) I talked to > him > later at a club meeting and he confirmed he just spun the dial. > > If you want to use a second RX and call on the last caller's frequency, > good for > you, and better for me. > > Wes N7WS > > On 11/7/2023 6:14 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > That was a head spinning discussion! No Elecraft transceiver here but > I've been working single RX Split with a TS-590S for as long as I have > owned it. > > > > For the TS-590 the key to working split pileups is the TF-SET key which > swaps TX and RX VFO as long as it is held. Sounds like Elecraft does the > same with the REV key. Listen on the DX frequency, after his CQ or TU > press TFSET to listen to the pileup. Spin the dial to find who is answering > with a report, this sets the TX VFO to that frequency, adjust up or down > based on prediction of DX listening point, release TF-SET and call after > next TU. > > > > TF-SET, an SDR based panadapter, and CW Skimmer all help me when trying > to work the big pileups. With TF-SET held I can click HDSDR (SDR > panadapter) to set the TX VFO. I doubt I would do any better with a second > receiver. > > > > 73, > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8lv...@gmail.com -- --w8lvn-- ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
