Yes, I've noticed the tendency of NR to null out carriers, which is easy to observe when VOX is off. But with VOX on, the phenomenon I'm observing is quite different than that - a "wup-wup-wup" oscillation with a period of a second or so that may persist for a considerable time after it is triggered by slowly tuning through the carrier.
The more aggressive the NR setting, the more vulnerable it seems, but with a strong carrier it can be triggered at any setting. No, I have no microphone connected, and no computer. When this occurs, the red TX indicator does *not* light if K3 is in TEST mode, that's why I hadn't noticed it earlier - I had the rig in TEST mode at the time. Bob NW8L On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Steve Ellington <n...@carolina.rr.com> wrote: > Bob > When in USB/LSB, NR does tend to totally null out carriers. CW does make > that "wup-wup" sound as it's notched out. I'm not sure why NR would be > acting as an "Auto Notch" but this does seem to be the case. > Don't know about your red light...Do you have a mic connected? > > Steve Ellington > n...@carolina.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cunnings" <bob.cunni...@gmail.com> > To: <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 NR Audio level increase > > > I've only just now noticed that the "oscillation" when NR is enabled > that I hear when tuning through an S9 carrier in USB/LSB happens only > when VOX is enabled. In fact, I just now noticed that the red TX > indicator is illuminated when this happens - although there is no > indication of power out on either the K3 or the outboard power meter. > > So with AGC SLP=5, THR=5, NR enabled, VOX enabled, tuning through S9 > carrier triggers this on USB/LSB, but not CW. > > Very strange. > > Bob NW8L > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Bob Cunnings <bob.cunni...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Apparently NR *is* upstream of AGC, since a while back NR was >> disallowed unless AGC was enabled [1] in order, according to K2VCO, to >> prevent instability [2]. >> >> By the way, I can observe this instability (a "wup-wup" oscillation) >> in LSB/USB modes with an S9 carrier, and AGC settings on the "light" >> side (high threshold, low slope, with THR=8 and SLP=0 being the >> extreme). I ran into this tuning through shortwave BC stations with NR >> enabled with THR and SLP set to 5. I'm using firmware version 3.11. >> >> What seems odd to me is that although I can reproduce the audio level >> increase cases observed by others when NR is enabled, the S-meter >> indication doesn't change - I suppose that the S-meter pickoff point >> is upstream of NR? >> >> On the flip side you mention, if notch filtering was before AGC as you >> wish, would you expect the S-meter indication to change when the notch >> filter is active? >> >> Bob NW8L >> >> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg58245.html >> [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg60930.html >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <li...@subich.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> It's not working as it should ... there should be no volume >>> change when engaging NR. Noise reduction should work on the >>> audio AFTER AGC. If anything, the test results below should >>> show a very slight drop with NR due to the removal of the >>> unwanted (broadband) components but the peak level should >>> not change. >>> >>> This NR problem is the flip side of the issue with the notch >>> filter ... Notch is working AFTER the AGC where it should >>> work before AGC while NR is working before the AGC where it >>> should work AFTER the AGC. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
