Eric and all, I'm probably going to be "hooted" for this post, but I think it is pertinent.
First, let me say that I love this reflector. It is a bastion of excellent info, even when it doesn't absolutely, directly, involve an Elecraft product. I thank you for allowing it to be "flexible". I also think you exercise reasonable restraint on topics that tend to wander. I have one really big problem with this reflector--that is the fact that it is so popular! That's a "plus", and it's a "minus", depending on the time of day, the number of sunspots, and so on! So, what's my problem? It's the volume of info that comes across this reflector. I don't mind the volume so much as I do the way the host ISP handles it. I have chosen to receive each message as posted because the alternative, receiving the digest, is very awkward! I would much prefer to receive the digest, and then just scroll down until I see something that doesn't seem to be of interest. However, If I use the digest mode, and if something is seemingly of interest, I have to scroll down (endlessly) through all the posts to get to that particulart post. So, I subscribe to the alternative that sends me every post, and I wear out my delete key! The Yahoo groups have a much better system. If you opt for the digest mode, you can simply scroll through a summary of the posts, and click on the post you want to view, then go directly to that post. That is a huge advantage on those reflectors, particular if they are anywhere as popular as this one. I'm sure I'm spitting in the wind, but I wish so much that this reflector was hosted by Yahoo, or some other system that provided that sort of benefit. I think it would alleviate a lot of the complaints we see/hear from others about various "OT' posts as well. This is a very big reflector (as far as the number of daily posts--I frequently get a hundred or more posts each day on this reflector alone), and I think it is worthy of a better system for managing the monitoring process. I am not suggesting Yahoo specifically, but surely there is a choice out there that excels over QTH.com. If cost is a factor, I would gladly contribute to alleviate any concerns that might create. I realize that changing hosts can be a significant decision, but I think it is justified. You have created a premier reflector, and I think it deserves a premier host! I don't know if there are issues with Yahoo that make it a bad choice, but I can't believe there isn't a better host that QTH with more user friendly features. My apologies if this is an issue that has been discussed and abandoned before--if it is, I don't recall. My apologies if this is invasive of your reflector management. I'm simply trying to express my feelings as an appreciative user. So, shoot me! Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <e...@elecraft.com> To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2010 > Elecraft Mail LIST GUIDELINES 2010 > > For those of you who are new to the list, (and for those of us who have > rapidly failing memories..), here is a quick list of things to remember > when > posting to this list. Please save this for future reference. > > The most important thing to remember is that this is only a hobby - Let's > have fun! The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a forum for > discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to Elecraft, > share > troubleshooting ideas etc. > > 1. YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED to the [Elecraft] list TO POST to it. (This is > done to stop advertising spammers from hitting the list.) 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If you want to provide an attachment, .JPG picture or other large > file for use on the list, first post it to your personal web > page and then post a link to its address in an email to the list. The list > strips all attachments to prevent viruses from propagating and to keep > the archives at a reasonable size. > > > 3. Please keep the amount of copied text from previous posts to an > -ABSOLUTE MINIMUM- in your replies. > > Always delete -everything- from the prior > post except what is necessary to keep your reply in context. Most copied > messages can be reduced to one or two sentences to retain context. > Remember to > delete the email list footer from the previous post and especially avoid > copying a long posting and adding 'Me Too!' or something similar. As the > number of users on this list grows (over 1500 now) we need to work to > minimize > information overload... If a reply is -not- of interest to the list, just > reply directly to the posting party. > > > 4. EMAIL OVERLOAD: > If you are overloaded by the volume of individual messages on the list, > You can view the daily Elecraft list messages for each month in web > format at: http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html . These archives are updated > hourly and list postings by subject. (the nabble archive looks very > useful.) > Just click on the ones you are interested in to read. > > You can also set your Elecraft list email preferences to 'no mail' > delivery, > which still allows you to post to the list when reading via the digest. > > You can also change your subscription to the DIGEST version, which sends > you a > single compilation each day. > > To change your email list options or to subscribe / unsubscribe, go to: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Scroll to the bottom of the page to log into your preferences page and set > your mail options to 'no mail'. > > 4a. Please make an effort to keep list volume under control by resisting > the > urge to post a comment on every long discussion thread (CW, Soldering > etc.) With > close to 6,500 list subscribers volume can quickly get out of control if > everyone feels the need to comment. While we do not overly restrict the > subject > matter on this list, please remember that its primary focus is on Elecraft > products, and their use. Many people rely on it for pointers on building > and > troubleshooting their kits. Other ham Radio topics are OK, but please keep > the > posts on non-Elecraft topics under control. > > 4b. *** [NEW] When emailing about a specific rig or option, please add the > rig/option name(s) to the first part of your email subject line. (K1, K2, > K3, > KX1 etc.) This will be a huge help for those experiencing email overload > and > will allow automatic filtering based on subject line. > > Examples: "Subject: [K3] Filter Options" > "Subject: [KX1] How to use ped portable?" > "Subject: [XG2] Wow! Its a big help. > > 5. *** IMPORTANT - PLEASE KEEP ALL POSTINGS CORDIAL. > > Restrain the urge to email someone admonishing them about a posting. > The last thing we want to do is to scare anyone off the list. Overly > aggressive > postings and negative comments about other posters only serve to scare > away new > potential list members. > > Waiting over night before hitting 'send' really helps to put things in > perspective.. ;-) > > If you have a complaint about someone or a thread please email it directly > to me ( eric(at)elecraft.com ) and I'll address it. > > 5a. Please do not post publicly or privately asking people to stop a > particular > thread, no matter how long, off topic or repetitive it gets. Email me > instead. I > will step in when I feel it is necessary to end a thread. > (eric(at)elecraft.com) > > 5a1. Please exercise restraint in posting when a thread is getting heavily > covered. 30 posts on one topic in a day (like the recurring CW thread) is > usually excessive. Please do not vote yay/nay or with 'me too' postings. > > 5b. Please do not post any direct attacks or snide comments directed at a > list member. Enthusiastic arguments are encouraged, but please keep > everything cordial. Members who verbally attack another (either via the > list > or via direct email) may be removed from the list. > > As the 'official' list moderator, I'll jump in as necessary to keep > everything > orderly. I do this off line and occasionally to the list when it is > appropriate. Our goal is to keep the Elecraft list a fun, informative > central clearing house for Elecraft information and enthusiasm. > > 6. Please POST your technical questions and comments to the list. > Elecraft owners are your best source for quick answers (and they NEVER > sleep!) If you don't get the answers you need from the list please email > us > direct at support(at)elecraft.com , which is our customer service address. > We > do try to watch the list traffic, but we may not respond to everything > immediately and may miss some postings sent to the list or our personal > addresses. > > 7. Please post your experiences with your Elecraft kit, DX worked, crazy > ideas, product ideas, complaints (yes - we do want to hear them, but > please keep > it polite :-) . > > 7. Commercial postings are allowed if they relate to Elecraft products, > QRP, > QRO, home-brewing, building etc. and are of interest to this list's > membership. Please keep them as short as possible and provide web links to > more detailed information. I'll step in if we feel someone is posting too > many messages of this type. > > 7a. Please limit commercial postings to one per month per offering or > product area (i.e. Builder for Hire postings, ham radio related products > etc.) > > 8. Personal attacks, flames, or strongly worded derogatory messages will > not > be tolerated. Please do not criticize postings by others. > > 9. Send parts requests direct to pa...@elecraft.com, not to the list. > > 10. If you don't get an answer to a question from the list, or by checking > the list archives, don't forget to check the Builder's Resource Page at > http://www.elecraft.com and our support email address: > supp...@elecraft.com > > 11. And above all, HAVE FUN!. We hope that this list is both a good > technical resource and serves as a Elecraft community gathering place. 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