See the problem is going to be in implementation. Do you press RIT then CWT to make it CWT via the RIT? Do you have CWT always move the RIT only if RIT is enabled? What does it do if XIT is enabled? I guarantee you that you have answers to these questions. I also guarantee you that there are 100 people just as opinionated as yourself with differing views. They can also be just as loud and vehement in their delivery as yourself. You want to know why things seem like a good idea when Wayne does it? Because he can do it and when he does it its done. It takes no further argument, its already done. If you don't think that something he's changed has never been followed up with mass discussion against it you're mistaken there as well.
Again I take offense in your stating that having an engineering degree gets in the way of simple logic. ALL of these methods are simple logic! PERIOD. Logic in its very essence is simple. Thus why the logical solution is often referred to by the lay as the "common sense" solution. Just because it doesn't fit in line with your solution doesn't make it a poor choice. I also don't understand the "mistakes happen" comments that many make with regard to the SPLIT allowing them to be off frequency and not know it. There is a very obvious yellow light on the front panel that indicates this condition. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:01 +0000, The Smiths wrote: > Sorry Brett, > but your offer to "help me" has a very condescending tone to it. I'm > sure you didn't mean it that way so I'll answer your post as if you > meant it in a "good" manor way. > > I have other uses for my sub receiver. I don't choose to lock my two > VFOs together, which would HAVE to be done in order to accomplish what > you're asking me to do. I have the sub receiver installed in my rig, > and when I hit the Split button the sub is then completely rendered > useless for me to monitor another freq. as I tend to do while waiting > for the DX to show up on another band. > > Secondly, even if I don't choose to monitor a different band with my > sub receiver, and I do use the method you suggested, this would cause > me to have to push the A>B button EVERY time I move freq. to send > another CQ. > To answer your question, when you "SPOT" with the VFO's linked > together and have the split mode on, exactly what you suspected would > happen happens. The Main VFO moves, and the Split mode TX stays the > same. This accomplishes what you wanted me to have, but it also > causes my link to be off by that amount of Hz when moving to the next > spot. > Now I have to visually monitor my TX Freq. and make sure that I'm > not accidentally transmitting on some location I don't know I'm on. > With the RIT control, when you transmit the Main VFO number changes, > and I can clearly see that I'm transmitting somewhere different than > where I'm listening. With the split mode on, accidents could > happen... > Also, because I'm in CW mode, and I have my CWT text reader on, I > can't see what Freq. My transmit is on unless I either turn off the > CWT mode, or move the Sub Receiver knob to see where I'm transmitting. > > This just add too much confusion to a simple process by which I can > hit a single button in RIT mode and achieve the same thing without all > the A>B, Link the VFO's together, Push the split button, then auto > Spot, then remember to reset the A>B again when I move to another > spot 5KCs away to send another CQ. > > Yes, once again, your engineering and Masters degree has gotten in the > way of SIMPLE LOGIC. There's no reason to have to drive in a circle > when you can just put the car in reverse and drive 3 feet > backwards. We don't need to over engineer this thing.. PLEASE, I beg > of you people to just try to take a step backwards and see how simple > logic works. This is what Average people want.. Not some complicated > method to do the same thing as ONE button push. > > Again, if Wayne didn't think of it, the reflector almost ALWAYS > rejects it. It seems that no one but Wayne can come up with a "handy" > feature without this group thinking it's something we don't need. > This is a sad commentary on the group indeed... > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > From: br...@livecomputers.com > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > CC: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:31:11 -0800 > > > > Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try... > > > > Rather than asking someone to code something up for you when someone > > gave you a fairly viable option why not try to give that a chance? I > > think you could probably get very close to what you want. Heck when > > hearing this I thought it might be interesting to try always being > in > > SPLIT mode with the VFO's linked and then use VFO B as your TX then > see > > what happens when you hit CWT? When the CWT tunes VFO A does it move > B > > too? If it does then perhaps you tune with the VFO's linked then > when > > you enter into a QSO unlink the VFO's and use the CWT feature as you > > want. You don't have to get RIT involved you can just use your two > > VFO's. I've not tried it yet but I wonder what locking VFO B and > tuning > > VFO A while they are linked does.. These could be interesting cases > > that could allow for some interesting things. Perhaps you'll find a > bug > > to submit to Wayne and while he's in that section of code he'll > > implement your RIT feature? > > > > I see your getting agitated about this and your angry with people > for > > not seeing things your way but you need the ability to try the ideas > of > > others and at least try to see things from that side. > > > > My opinion on this feature is that when I'm wanting to use RIT I'd > > rather have custom control over it for each instance as I hear > different > > pitches better in the presence of different types of noise. > Therefore I > > want the ability to just turn a knob and get things to my preference > > quickly. Not to what my preference was when things were quiet and I > set > > my pitch preference. > > > > Finally stating that people who have engineering degrees can't > > understand others personally offends me. I feel that you are the one > > having problems understanding as well. The SPLIT suggestion was a > valid > > one (and your comment saying that it involved the subreceiver is > also a > > misunderstanding). The subreceiver is not needed to do SPLIT and its > > not needed to use the SUB button to link and unlink the VFO's. If > you'd > > like assistance in trying some of these options I'd be glad to run > > through some of them and see how they perform and then help explain > > them. I fully understand what you want to do and I might even be > able > > to spend some time and help you get there with out requesting a > change > > of the firmware. I even have 2 of those dad burn engineering > degrees! > > Perhaps the MBA cancels them out? > > > > ~Brett (KC7OTG) > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 02:42 +0000, The Smiths wrote: > > > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a > feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL > the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know > when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my > spot button with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking > for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the > same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do > EVERYTHING I'm asking for. > > > > > > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to > another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then > use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to > zero beat the signal.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control > when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry > about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's > really just that simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder > than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an > engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple > man". > > > > > > > > > This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the > clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a > DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus > out on that one too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > > > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000 > > > > > > > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it > cant > > > > help in this situation in any case. > > > > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have > nearby > > > > strong signals > > > > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +0000, The Smiths wrote: > > > > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz > Narrow > > > > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero > Beated or > > > > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find > with the > > > > > Shift control. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a > freq. that > > > > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY > and > > > > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the > > > > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this > as an > > > > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the > same > > > > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the > same > > > > > helpful thing with receive??? > > > > > > > > > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find > use for > > > > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was > saying in > > > > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the > signals to > > > > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This > would > > > > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as > well. > > > > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal > post" > > > > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either > doesn't > > > > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far > off. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It > doesn't > > > > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight > things > > > > > so hard is just wondrous to me. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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