What those considering, or later doing, Condorcet voting should consider. Fred's last principle, about participation, caught my eye.

Those writing of Condorcet voting often promote formally ranking all candidates (the least liked retains its position even if the only one not formally ranked). I read that as excessive since it goes against the principle by demanding more effort than useful in properly choosing as winner. To clarify:

Assuming a voter has found ranking A to be satisfying "the full extent of the individual's desire and ability", then ranking only A is a proper vote and would have the same effect as a similar vote in FPTP. Note that in FPTP voters often are tortured by wanting to vote for more than one, but being unable to.

Assuming a voter has found A & others to be equally satisfying "the full extent of the individual's desire and ability", then ranking them alike is a proper vote and would have the same effect as a similar vote in Approval.

Assuming a voter has found A & B, with A preferred, to be satisfying "the full extent of the individual's desire and ability", but showing preference by ranking both with A higher than B is doable here, though not in FPTP or Approval.

Combinations of the above ranking are permitted, leaving as many as the voter may choose at the bottom (unranked) level.

Dave Ketchum

On Aug 24, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Fred Gohlke wrote:

If one wishes to "distribute a formal statement of the election- method principles that we agree upon.", would it not be wise to start by finding out which principles command agreement?

Perhaps it would be better to take one step back and jointly define the principles before attempting a formal statement. One possibility might start something like this:

Electoral Method Principles:

* Principles express a consensus.

* No principle has primacy over another principle.

* Any principle can be challenged by rational argument.


Principles of human interaction:

* The interactions between humans is known as politics.

* The scope of politics is immense.

* The immensity of politics requires organization.

* The first step of forming an organization is to define its
 principles.


Principles of government:

* The people have the right to define their government.

* The Electoral Method must implement government by the people.

* Government by the people means that every individual in the
 society can participate in the political process to the full
 extent of the individual's desire and ability.

It is not my place to list the principles for this board, except as an example, so the foregoing is merely a suggested outline. Participants in the discussion must define the principles important to them, and should do so before attempting a formal statement alleged to be supported by all members.

Fred Gohlke




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